Strongest Character for Every Tier 23

[The_Causality]

Since she is a conceptual existence, this isn't requiered

 

[Lancer45Man]

Hatou Manabu for Low 2-C

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

i personally believe she takes it but wait for her vs Lavos to finish

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hatou Manabu for Low 2-C

Literally everything about her profile is suspicious

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Hatou Manabu for Low 2-C

Literally everything about her profile is suspicious

like i said you can check the thread where her powers were accepted

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2366958

 

[Lancer45Man]

I can say the same thing about Worm LMAO

But there's already a revision thread for her checked by Celestial Pegasus who was the one to originally create the profile.

 

[The_Causality]

Wew

she Eat The Worm and Lavos at the same time

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Have her fight altair

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Have her fight altair

let her fight lavos first then altair or the worm

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

i'm not gonna say anything

but i find it odd that the moment the possibility of Lavos actually losing comes up in Hatou vs Lavos, Zachary calls Hatou's profile wanked and suspicous

 

[The_Causality]

I want the worm against her

if she win (pretty sure yes) let her fight the current strongest Low 2-C aKa Lavos

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I love doctor who, but The Transcendence probably beats doctor who's high 1-Cs

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pelinal

takes HIgh 4-C via High 2-A time manip resistance

here we go bois

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Stellaris is being revised

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

because they could ever beat passive, decently high-end 1-A void manip

 

[Udlmaster]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pelinal
takes HIgh 4-C via High 2-A time manip resistance

here we go bois

That's not very good at all, you know?

Having High 2-A resistance is actually rather useless in the High 4-C matchup, because the person who's taken that place doesn't have conventional "Time" manipulation.

Also, when he enters the Madness, he doesn't have the range to take out the Mountain Youkai, who exists on a Multiversal scale, while the Madness only works within Several kilometers.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He gets passively mindhaxed by Stellaris high 4-Cs before he can activate madness

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

He gets passively mindhaxed by Stellaris high 4-Cs before he can activate madness

Good luck trying to mind hax someone who des not exist

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pelinaltakes HIgh 4-C via High 2-A time manip resistance
here we go bois

That's not very good at all, you know?
Having High 2-A resistance is actually rather useless in the High 4-C matchup, because the person who's taken that place doesn't have conventional "Time" manipulation.

Also, when he enters the Madness, he doesn't have the range to take out the Mountain Youkai, who exists on a Multiversal scale, while the Madness only works within Several kilometers.

Iwana's eternity manip is linked to the time manip page, so it still gets resisted

because that in any way helps against 1-A void manip

 

[Udlmaster]

He gets passively mindhaxed by Stellaris high 4-Cs before he can activate madness

Good luck trying to mind hax someone who des not exist

Non-existent Physiology only applies when he's in the Madness.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

He gets passively mindhaxed by Stellaris high 4-Cs before he can activate madness

because the Stellaris High 4-Cs are comparable to things that Madness are needed to affect

Pelinal still takes the spot via his ridiculous hax

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm not arguing Madness isn't 1-A hax, I'm saying that he can't activate it if he wants to worship his opponent the second the fight starts

 

[Udlmaster]

Iwana's eternity manip is linked to the time manip page, so it still gets resisted

because that in any way helps against 1-A void manip

Okay, yes, while it is linked to the Time Manip page, it is not conventional Time Manipulation, saying "Well it goes to the Time Manip pag, therefore it gets resisted" is a incredibly poor argument because it's not normal Time Manipulation.

Secondly, yes, if you do not have the Range for 1-A Void Manip, then it's not going to kill her, she exists across a Multiverse and his 1-A void manip only works several kilometers.

It's not enough to kill her Non-Corporeal form, assuming she doesn't Auto-Win with incap with Eternity Manip.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Iwana's eternity manip is linked to the time manip page, so it still gets resisted

because that in any way helps against 1-A void manip

Okay, yes, while it is linked to the Time Manip page, it is not conventional Time Manipulation, saying "Well it goes to the Time Manip pag, therefore it gets resisted" is a incredibly poor argument because it's not normal Time Manipulation.
Secondly, yes, if you do not have the Range for 1-A Void Manip, then it's not going to kill her, she exists across a Multiverse and his 1-A void manip only works several kilometers.

It's not enough to kill her Non-Corporeal form, assuming she doesn't Auto-Win with incap with Eternity Manip.

then explain it

no. The fact that it's 1-A at all means that she basically dies on sight alone, and has absolutely no way to survive

again, read above and the fact that Madness destroyed parts of High 1-B time iirc

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I'm not arguing Madness isn't 1-A hax, I'm saying that he can't activate it if he wants to worship his opponent the second the fight starts

i'm not arguing that Pelinal beats those guys

i'm arguing that he takes the spot anyways because his hax lets him beat people FAR, FAR above anything in Stellaris

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

that is not High 1B time

Time Manipulation (Cut apart the days and months of the Elvish calendar, sundering time itself),

(When enraged, Pelinal was able to cleave a month of time off the elvish calendar, literally erasing those days from history and causing the previous month to be inexplicably stretched

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

i was refering to Madness, but i think i was imagining that part of his AP

shiet

 

[Udlmaster]

then explain it

no. The fact that it's 1-A at all means that she basically dies on sight alone, and has absolutely no way to survive

again, read above and the fact that Madness destroyed parts of High 1-B time iirc

Okay, for one, it doesn't affect Time, it more so affects the frame of time, it works in a different way, hence why on their profiles, it's called something different. If you want a better explaination, seek out Saikou the Lewd King.

And yes, just because it's 1-A doesn't mean all of her is erased, he doesn't have the range what so ever. And what do you mean sight alone? She's an incorporeal God who exists on a Multiversal scale, she isn't going to be seen.

Cool, still not conventional Time Manipulation.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

then explain it

no. The fact that it's 1-A at all means that she basically dies on sight alone, and has absolutely no way to survive

again, read above and the fact that Madness destroyed parts of High 1-B time iirc

Okay, for one, it doesn't affect Time, it more so affects the frame of time, it works in a different way, hence why on their profiles, it's called something different. If you want a better explaination, seek out Saikou the Lewd King.
And yes, just because it's 1-A doesn't mean all of her is erased, he doesn't have the range what so ever. And what do you mean sight alone? She's an incorporeal God who exists on a Multiversal scale, she isn't going to be seen.

Cool, still not conventional Time Manipulation.

>doesn't affect time

>affect a part of time

are you seeing my issue here? Eternity manip is just glorified time stop but it only works on one person at a time

 

[Udlmaster]

>doesn't affect time

>affect a part of time

are you seeing my issue here? Eternity manip is just glorified time stop but it only works on one person at a time

Firstly, I told you to go ask Saikou for a better explaination.

And secondly, that doesn't even refute the argument that Pelinal cannot kill the Mountain Youkai because he lacks range.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

ok, i missed that

pretty sure there's nothing stopping him from destroying the entire setting, including the mountain, once he enters Madness

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Emphasis once ONCE he does it. A ton of high 4-Cs can put him down before he does it.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

ok

that doesn't meant that he doesn't take the spot regardless

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Why should he?

Cthulhu beats him by standing there

Chosen one beats him by standing there

Bugs and him probably incon

Touhou high 4-Cs probably incon

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

because he beats people FAR above any of those people

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

because he beats people FAR above any of those people

ABC logic does not work

 

[Udlmaster]

ok, i missed that
pretty sure there's nothing stopping him from destroying the entire setting, including the mountain, once he enters Madness

She doesn't just live in the Mountain, if you destroyed the mountain, you merely destroyed her physical avatar.

Touhou Gods exist as pure abstract Ideas, you need a lot more than just 1-A Void Manipulation on a Few Kilometer range to kill her.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

because he beats people FAR above any of those people

ABC logic does not work

i'm not trying to use ABC logic

what i'm saying is that Pelinal's hax lets him beat people in the tier 1 range, while he loses to people who have no chance of doing the same

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

ok, i missed that
pretty sure there's nothing stopping him from destroying the entire setting, including the mountain, once he enters Madness

She doesn't just live in the Mountain, if you destroyed the mountain, you merely destroyed her physical avatar.
Touhou Gods exist as pure abstract Ideas, you need a lot more than just 1-A Void Manipulation on a Few Kilometer range to kill her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

no

that's not how Abstract Existence works

Madness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any AE in Touhou

 

[Udlmaster]

i'm not trying to use ABC logic

what i'm saying is that Pelinal's hax lets him beat people in the tier 1 range, while he loses to people who have no chance of doing the same

I'm pretty sure he gets blitzed into non-existence by everyone in the 1-A range.

In fact, most 1-As beat him because they possess True-Godly regen.