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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
i thought the dante vs kratos thread was closed because kratos info stomped dante but if that doesn't work then would it still be incon
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What, both have separate wincons iirc? It can go either way, basically whichever gets the first strike.
I suppose we can conclude that as inconclusive too.
 
I'm fine with incon for DMC/GoW. Either that or we debate this for the next 10 pages and I can't be arsed.
 
Robo432343 said:
incon is fine but uh one problem
speed unequal gives them the win for now
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That doesn't really change what makes this incon though?
The incon is due to the fact that they can't affect each other in a relevant way, ergo, inconclusive
GoW being infinite doesn't really change that calculus
 
Deonment said:
That doesn't really change what makes this incon though?
The incon is due to the fact that they can't affect each other in a relevant way, ergo, inconclusive
GoW being infinite doesn't really change that calculus
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Everyone incons each other if speed is = so it all comes down to Dante vs Kratos. Kratos beats dante in a speed unequalized match
 
Robo432343 said:
Everyone incons each other if speed is = so it all comes down to Dante vs Kratos. Kratos beats dante in a speed unequalized match
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No???
That isn't how the list works, what? Simply because one of the chosen characters is beaten doesn't make the rest suddenly not exist, Kratos isn't beating Void Mundus or Argosax, which both still are relevant characters who hold spots in this scenario, who in this context are "stronger" than Dante. The only way that works is if you want to put Kratos above the GoW and DMC shared spot because he "beats" the characters who are sharing the spot, which isn't the case in this context
 
Deonment said:
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you still kinda didn't answer my questions, not verse or match related but in general

why erasing something that wasn't relevant for "X" existence/nonexistence would render them unable to act? For example, if someone erases my hair it doesn't mean the rest of me would be affected, nor is a potential nonexistent me dependent on existing hair (im dumbing it down a ton but you get the idea)

what happens with characters that have all aspects? Are they dead in any and all matches? Chaos for example has all aspects, does that mean it is dead and unable to do anything?
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
why erasing something that wasn't relevant for "X" existence/nonexistence would render them unable to act? For example, if someone erases my hair it doesn't mean the rest of me would be affected, nor is a potential nonexistent me dependent on existing hair (im dumbing it down a ton but you get the idea)
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Because erasing these things removes your ability to interact with reality when it comes to fundamental aspects
For example, if you get erased from the story/plot it's pretty obvious you can't do anything within it, even if you do not depend on it to sustain your existence
Tony_di_bugalu said:
what happens with characters that have all aspects? Are they dead in any and all matches? Chaos for example has all aspects, does that mean it is dead and unable to do anything?
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No, because they have shown the ability to act in spite of such a state, the same applies to characters NEP that encompasses less aspects or is more screwy, if someone has a nonexistent concept/info/plot, but their body/mind still "exists", and can act in spite of such, then erasing their body or mind would stop them from interfacing with reality, even if they (don't) exist beyond the fact that these aspects are erased
 
Deonment said:
No???
That isn't how the list works, what? Simply because one of the chosen characters is beaten doesn't make the rest suddenly not exist, Kratos isn't beating Void Mundus or Argosax, which both still are relevant characters who hold spots in this scenario, who in this context are "stronger" than Dante. The only way that works is if you want to put Kratos above the GoW and DMC shared spot because he "beats" the characters who are sharing the spot, which isn't the case in this context
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Maybe I worded that horribly but chaos would stomp everyone anyway via cosmology nuke no?
 
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Tony_di_bugalu said:
that works both ways, no? Granted the only one who has passive EE is void mundus

Also Dante already survived once to the cosmology getting nuked with several shenanigans happening in the background but he survived
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but if speed is unequalised then Chaos nuke will happen before mundus EE and people comparable can stay in the void
Just the demon king himself, and those comparable to him, can just barely stay.
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Robo432343 said:
weren't you implying that cosmology nuke is a wincon for chaos?
I thought Chaos simply erases the void because of its range unless Void Mundus is also Low 1-C in size?

i dont even know how the fight is going to continue when the cosmology gets nuked
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In theory as most characters don't exactly showcase the ability to act in such a scenario even if they can regenerate or survive through such but given void mundus (will be when the crt gets accepted) is another cosmological void of emptiness lacking all features, bar info type 2 which isn't relevant her for already discussed reasons, it doesn't really matter here, I'd maybe argue it'd win against Argosax, who to my quick reading doesn't have any feats of the sort, dante does have feats but gets ****** over through the EE, but Void Mundus just stonefaces that shit
 
Robo432343 said:
but if speed is unequalised then Chaos nuke will happen before mundus EE and people comparable can stay in the void
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Passive stuff is passive, already there. Unequal speed would be relevant if someone was immeasurable since that's what is needed to "dodge" passive stuff

Deonment said:
In theory as most characters don't exactly showcase the ability to act in such a scenario even if they can regenerate or survive through such but given void mundus (will be when the crt gets accepted) is another cosmological void of emptiness lacking all features, bar info type 2 which isn't relevant her for already discussed reasons, it doesn't really matter here, I'd maybe argue it'd win against Argosax, who to my quick reading doesn't have any feats of the sort, dante does have feats but gets ****** over through the EE, but Void Mundus just stonefaces that shit
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Dante is gonna get resistance to EE too tho, he stands within the Void King and that is stated to kill everyone

Also, other chars like OG Mundus and basically everyone else can exist and act as Souls so not even an incap
 
Is it have any passives, what is it first move?.

Anyway from the glance i think it is below DMC and GoW, above Danny Phantom and Wizard101
 
CasperSenar said:
His chaos physiology is all passive and MM3 I think. He also scales to countless x L1C with it
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God of War and Devil May Cry handily trounce that but to my knowledge, Primordial Chaos beats Danny Phantom. I dunno about Wizard101 to compare.
 
I think if the show expands on Chaos representing Daoism like with his chinese mythology counterpart, he can gain NEP stuff in the next season
 
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