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Largely irrelevant. Plot Manip is the only reason it gets into Top 5.
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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki
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So will Scroll and Chaos have separating ratings? Or just simplified as "characters from verse"
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Just Characters from the verse.
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Actually wait, Anos's source is NEP Type 2. It can't affect that. It'd go below them then but above DMC/GoW.
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NEP type 2? That's pretty strong
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Well it is based of journey to the west and chinese mythology. Like the primordial chaos in lmk is based of Hundun who represents daoism. Maybe in the next season, chaos could get nep but for now they are anos victim
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First time?
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They are also missing dualities for some reason. Hope the writers cook something up to make Sun Wukong's abilities more accurate to his og version later
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Speed equalized, I think characters from Spirit of The Eternity Sword beat Solaris, and maybe even Undertale since from what I know Undertale's main thing is info type 2 erasure. Null Eternals are nonexistent on an info type 2 level, they also have a form of High Godly regen. Normal Eternals are type 1 abstracts with some hax ie concept manipulation, information manipulation, and resistances to various stuff.
Really only thing they are lacking is some nice layers,and immeasurable speed.
Really only thing they are lacking is some nice layers,
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Wow nep is pretty strong these days
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Anos has logic manipulation too which not many verses can withstand.
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Honestly even when others like BestMGQ trying to argue otherwise, staffs just ignored them.
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Chaos got NEP2? Since when and how? Also it would be incon perhaps again cos neither can interact with the other, iirc.
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Read recent GoW thread. It is pretty similar args like Tony made
Doesn't GoW go above via info already anyway?
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Why is Master unit still above Anos? Anos has logic manipulation and Unit doesn't seem to resist it.
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Just checked. Also, lol. I disagree with both DMC and GoW getting NEP2 for such reasons. NEP1 for both seems appropriate.
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The Overlord should be higher than Undertale because he has information type 2 on top of concept type 1
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She doesn't have it yet so we'll revisit that if the thread goes through.
Logic Manipulation is restricted to what it showcases even more than other abilities so it's far from insurmountable. Just having it is not any sort of win con. Not that it matters given Anos's 70+ layers.
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Pretty sure Anos can straight up destroys someone's logic. Hence when he erased Graham, Graham lacks logic as his aspect.
So I'm not sure how Anos is still ranked lower than Master Unit.
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Passives likely? MU has infinite layers IIRC. Having a wincon isn't an auto win. Still you can make a match for it. My point is that hax isn't an I win button just cause the other character lacks it.
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I'm pretty sure Anos immeasurable speed would allow him to dodge passives and get the first hit. (Master Unit only has infinite speed listed)
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Anos starts at MFTL and has to activate venuz
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Does the infinite layers include their NPI NEP2 interaction?
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She (now) has it. I'm not gonna argue for or against, just do with that info as you will.
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This thread may effect multiple verses here.
Verse Specific Powers and Abilities Corrections or Removals
With this thread, there are new rules to follow when applying VSPA to characters. I've given several examples, and those will be removed or reworked to fit the new standard. This is not just for these examples either, if you support a verse and think some VSPA is being applied too broadly or...
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Heh? Why would having NEP make her hax more effective? She just becomes less interactable?
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Even if whatever that is, I'd assume it would be to EE other NEP beings like her, correct.
i thought her profile also said 'nonexistent erasure type 2' in it
Also now she needs more busted NPI to interact with her.
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Her profile has Passive EE based on Info as I see which DMC has no counter
i thought her profile also said 'nonexistent erasure type 2' in it
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apparently info does not matter because chaos has not shown to info hax a type 1 concept
souls in dmc> type 1 concept
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For Dante probably if he has AE(Type 1 Concept) for his soul
For Void Mundus it should affect
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What?. Magic in GoW is concept type 1 and obviously can affect it, why it can't info hax the concept type 1?
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Info hax cant affect AE based on CM. Thats like what is written in metaphysical page
For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.
Also GoW CM1 doesn't matter much here since they are like 10 layers while DMC guys seems like to resist 45 layers
So it would be like: -> Cant affect AE via info, uses CM -> They resist it.
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Magic in GoW is conceptual and have info 2 hax which mean it affect both concept 1 and info 2, that mean its info 2 can interact with concept type 1. I wasn't talking about layer though
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That simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased 
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Yeah, indeed, A with AE1 from CM1 is definitely not superior to B with Bio Hax because A is only immune to Bio hax because it can exist without a physical body. SmhThat simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased
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