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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

So will Scroll and Chaos have separating ratings? Or just simplified as "characters from verse"
Actually wait, Anos's source is NEP Type 2. It can't affect that. It'd go below them then but above DMC/GoW.
 
Well it is based of journey to the west and chinese mythology. Like the primordial chaos in lmk is based of Hundun who represents daoism. Maybe in the next season, chaos could get nep but for now they are anos victim
They are also missing dualities for some reason. Hope the writers cook something up to make Sun Wukong's abilities more accurate to his og version later
 
Speed equalized, I think characters from Spirit of The Eternity Sword beat Solaris, and maybe even Undertale since from what I know Undertale's main thing is info type 2 erasure. Null Eternals are nonexistent on an info type 2 level, they also have a form of High Godly regen. Normal Eternals are type 1 abstracts with some hax ie concept manipulation, information manipulation, and resistances to various stuff.

Really only thing they are lacking is some nice layers, and immeasurable speed.
 
Speed equalized, I think characters from Spirit of The Eternity Sword beat Solaris, and maybe even Undertale since from what I know Undertale's main thing is info type 2 erasure. Null Eternals are nonexistent on an info type 2 level, they also have a form of High Godly regen. Normal Eternals are type 1 abstracts with some hax ie concept manipulation, information manipulation, and resistances to various stuff.

Really only thing they are lacking is some nice layers, and immeasurable speed.
Wow nep is pretty strong these days
 
is GoW/DMC still incon even with Chaos getting NEP 2?
Honestly even when others like BestMGQ trying to argue otherwise, staffs just ignored them. Planck is basically the popular kid in vsbw cause the fact that staffs instantly come to his pings to instant agree.
 
is GoW/DMC still incon even with Chaos getting NEP 2?
She doesn't have it yet so we'll revisit that if the thread goes through.

Anos has logic manipulation too which not many verses can withstand.
Logic Manipulation is restricted to what it showcases even more than other abilities so it's far from insurmountable. Just having it is not any sort of win con. Not that it matters given Anos's 70+ layers.
 
She doesn't have it yet so we'll revisit that if the thread goes through.


Logic Manipulation is restricted to what it showcases even more than other abilities so it's far from insurmountable. Just having it is not any sort of win con. Not that it matters given Anos's 70+ layers.
Pretty sure Anos can straight up destroys someone's logic. Hence when he erased Graham, Graham lacks logic as his aspect.

So I'm not sure how Anos is still ranked lower than Master Unit.
 
Pretty sure Anos can straight up destroys someone's logic. Hence when he erased Graham, Graham lacks logic as his aspect.

So I'm not sure how Anos is still ranked lower than Master Unit.
Passives likely? MU has infinite layers IIRC. Having a wincon isn't an auto win. Still you can make a match for it. My point is that hax isn't an I win button just cause the other character lacks it.
 
Passives likely? MU has infinite layers IIRC. Having a wincon isn't an auto win. Still you can make a match for it. My point is that hax isn't an I win button just cause the other character lacks it.
I'm pretty sure Anos immeasurable speed would allow him to dodge passives and get the first hit. (Master Unit only has infinite speed listed)
 
She (now) has it. I'm not gonna argue for or against, just do with that info as you will.
This thread may effect multiple verses here.
 
now that chaos has NEP 2 it looks like she can pretty much do whatever she wants to the dmc guys while nothing can damage her
the ee nuke is probably gonna work now
Heh? Why would having NEP make her hax more effective? She just becomes less interactable?
 
What?. Magic in GoW is concept type 1 and obviously can affect it, why it can't info hax the concept type 1?
Info hax cant affect AE based on CM. Thats like what is written in metaphysical page

For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.

Also GoW CM1 doesn't matter much here since they are like 10 layers while DMC guys seems like to resist 45 layers

So it would be like: -> Cant affect AE via info, uses CM -> They resist it.
 
Info hax cant affect AE based on CM. Thats like what is written in metaphysical page

For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.

Also GoW CM1 doesn't matter much here since they are like 10 layers while DMC guys seems like to resist 45 layers

So it would be like: -> Cant affect AE via info, uses CM -> They resist it.
Magic in GoW is conceptual and have info 2 hax which mean it affect both concept 1 and info 2, that mean its info 2 can interact with concept type 1. I wasn't talking about layer though
 
What?. Magic in GoW is concept type 1 and obviously can affect it, why it can't info hax the concept type 1?
the soul > type 1 concept
If they can exist and act purely as their (nonexistent) soul with no regard for any other aspect then the informational erasure doesn't matter as they exist as an aspect that the info erasure doesn't impact
It is, for all intents and purposes, the same as trying info haxing a type 1 concept, it doesn't do anything unless the verse decides it does, which is not the case in GoW to my knowledge
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That simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased :rolleyes:
 
That simply saying soul can exist without having concept. So practically similar to A immune to X hax cause it lack X aspect, not something like how you guys had phrased :rolleyes:
Yeah, indeed, A with AE1 from CM1 is definitely not superior to B with Bio Hax because A is only immune to Bio hax because it can exist without a physical body. Smh
 
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