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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
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Hello everyone, I'm back with a slightly (too) controversial thread, which really shouldn't be controversial since it was previously accepted on WN. Proposal is here, old thread where it was accepted. TL; DR. Normal Universes (Bubble Worlds) became Low 1-C (5-D) So yeah, that's all, let the...
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Anos can share a spot with DBH i guess
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I think Anos can beat Amaterasu with Logic hax, and Graham can incon due to his layered NEP2 so they takes Amaterasu spot and push everyone down
 
Vietthai96 said:
I think Anos can beat Amaterasu with Logic hax, and Graham can incon due to his layered NEP2 so they takes Amaterasu spot and push everyone down
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I really doubt logic hax would be remotely enough to make a dent in Amaterasu, let alone defeat her (especially with the countless x countless infinite layers of bs) not to mention BB may actually qualify for logic bs too given what phenomena intervention is at its core
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Also holy heck I didn't realize WABS was number 2, dayum when did they get all that hax and stuff
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They are just hard to affect, albeit Cracking is like 13 different abilities at once, but still M and Edison have a nasty combo of NEP2 and Acausality type 5, since they are the God tiers of the verse minus AZZT who dreamed everything into existence, and Sanido who may be AZZT's equal, but yea these guys don't fight, so it's not like they absurd layers or anything.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
They are just hard to affect, albeit Cracking is like 13 different abilities at once, but still M and Edison have a nasty combo of NEP2 and Acausality type 5, since they are the God tiers of the verse minus AZZT who dreamed everything into existence, and Sanido who may be AZZT's equal, but yea these guys don't fight, so it's not like they absurd layers or anything.
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No more characters that are equal to M and Edison? from what i see, this series is pretty expansive
 
@Vietthai96 The Gods haven't been fully fleshed out yet, so we don't have a clear sense of how powerful everyone is.

Only thing we can be certain of is Edison>M, since Edison was another M, who then consumed Yog, but besides from that not much is known. Sanido for example claims to be A.Z.Z.T's equal, who is supposed to be the strongest, and within the realm of Elysisa, which is some sort of nonexistent realm, which is also Sanido herself, there exists Elysians who from memory Hypnos is one of the more powerful ones, and it's stated time and space are meaningless to him too, just like M who has those sort of statements.

But anyway, we haven't seen any Gods fighting yet, and the cosmology hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, since the VN's usually stay somewhat grounded so far, we haven't gotten anything God focused, but we know Demonbane is now part of it, so it presumably will be fleshed out, albeit maybe not by Steampunk's author who hasn't touched it in years and is busy doing Fate stuff, but maybe by Demonbane's author.
 
Robo432343 said:
gotta make a match
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I mean can amaterasu even interact with arale given she is present both inside and outside of plot and canuse her plot haxs

Even if you ignore above arale has accausality type 3 where multiple versions of her exist which can replace the original one with knowledge of the battle and lead with exiting plot.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
I mean can amaterasu even interact with arale given she is present both inside and outside of plot and canuse her plot haxs

Even if you ignore above arale has accausality type 3 where multiple versions of her exist which can replace the original one with knowledge of the battle and lead with exiting plot.
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Dunno if she can but if she does then it doesn't matter the immortality or acausality since amaterasu can nuke every single multiverse within
 
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Robo432343 said:
also guys im just going to do 'Characters from Devil May Cry (Dante and Mundus) for 7th spot since they layer stomp vhd
although vhd might stomp dmc if speed is not equalized
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D still has his aura that can passively cause fear down to the concept, DMC guys aren't going to be able to actually kill D due to his several layers of High Godly and High Godly regen neg resistance, in addition to having his own high godly regen neg + being able to cut folks concepts, the only real pain point is the passives but D is a)Entirely liable to adapt, b)Mundus doesn't actually resist D's own passives c)Some of that stuff D just won't care about (the illusion hax is going to end with D cutting through and killing the illusions for example)
 
Robo432343 said:
no i just put him there 🗿
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oh lol
Robo432343 said:
i thought guilty gear was 6-D before the tiering revisions but no one bothered to edit it
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I heard about that, but that doesn’t seem to be case now? I feel like that would’ve been fixed by now (that and Sol’s match with Kai Ninjago happened so)

I guess until something comes up, I’d say Guilty Gear should be above Devilman for sure as the verse already has characters that use 12 layers of Magic that has Information Manip and others (although more notable examples include Sol Badguy, I-No, Happy Chaos, Axl Low, Ky Kiske) I could go on and on.
 
Hypertimeline thread going nowhere it seems aside from some minor bits about clarification (Which I strongly doubt will change the current verses anyhow).

A bigger issue now would be Invulnerability and Layers as a whole getting nuked. Battles will be hell and a half to debate again.
 
Actually the thread about layers still keeping layers, but DontTalk and Agnaa said layer isn't an absolute wincon in a vs match anymore, hax potency and other qualities are still need to be considered in a match
 
Lowkey nuking layers is a good idea. It makes some matchups impossible to argue because people just spam "X character has 48582484 layers hax so it's a stomp FRA."
 
KLOL506 said:
Check the "Small Tweaks to Invulnerability" thread where Armor is proposing a name change and the "It's time we talked about layers and qualitative superiority" thread (This comment from DontTalkDT specifically).
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Layering should not be applied when an ability overpowers a resistance through magnitude or a quantitative threshold. Overcoming heat resistance by using hotter fire is not an example of layered fire manipulation, neither is overpowering mind resistance by focusing psionic energy from a larger number of targets down to an individual; as those are increases in magnitude. These will still be treated as an increase in potency, though.
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If this passes, all verse layer chains get gutted because all of them are pretty much a potency/magnitude increase.
 
correct me if im wrong but isn't layers the best way to tell who wins in a fight? like if character A has 20 layers for all his abilities and he's fighting B who has 15 layers for all his abilities then character A simply stomps
 
RoninSlayer200 said:
Lowkey nuking layers is a good idea. It makes some matchups impossible to argue because people just spam "X character has 48582484 layers hax so it's a stomp FRA."
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It's not even the nuking part that makes me angry. It's that the same man who proposed layers, DT himself, is now removing it because his verse Toaru is getting mogged for not having enough layers. It's kinda funny if you ask me.

Why even make it if you don't want it in the first place.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Actually the thread about layers still keeping layers, but DontTalk and Agnaa said layer isn't an absolute wincon in a vs match anymore, hax potency and other qualities are still need to be considered in a match
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DontTalk's new comment implies the proposal would gut how we do layers currently, with his new proposal, verses will have to find other methods to find layers that don't involve a mere increase potency/magnitude in power.
 
KLOL506 said:
DontTalk's new comment implies the proposal would gut how we do layers currently, with his new proposal, verses will have to find other methods to find layers that don't involve a mere increase potency/magnitude in power.
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Hard to do, probably there are some verses out there can get, but this just make hax layer into a pseudo-resistance negation which rather we just nuke layer altogether
 
Vietthai96 said:
Hard to do, probably there are some verses out there can get, but this just make hax layer into a pseudo-resistance negation which rather we just nuke layer altogether
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PAIN SUFFERING AGONY TORMENT

At least we go back to 2018 era of battleboarding and can't for the life of us figure out whose hax is more potent. Makes fights more interesting anyway.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Wait, the NEP layer is layer for state of existence ability, DontTalk comment only affect layers for offensive hax bruhhhh
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Very few verses, if at all, actually have layers for states of existence. Almost all of the verses overwhelmingly employ layers for offensive hax.

Like, how often are you going to find people even more abstract than AE1 CM1 entities?
 
KLOL506 said:
Very few verses, if at all, actually have layers for states of existence. Almost all of the verses overwhelmingly employ layers for offensive hax.

Like, how often are you going to find people even more abstract than AE1 CM1 entities?
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I think we do have layered Incorporeality or Intangibility, but yeah, AE1 is very hard to have layer, almost impossible
 
KLOL506 said:
DontTalk's new comment implies the proposal would gut how we do layers currently, with his new proposal, verses will have to find other methods to find layers that don't involve a mere increase potency/magnitude in power.
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Vietthai96 said:
Hard to do, probably there are some verses out there can get, but this just make hax layer into a pseudo-resistance negation which rather we just nuke layer altogether
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D&D just keeps on winning
 
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