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Arale vs Amaterasu - Strongest 5-D Character
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Killerdrone123
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Anyway Does amaterasu has anyway of resisting arale's plot shenenigans given she has passive layered plot manip and also the cab exist both inside and outside of plot at same time
Anyway Does amaterasu has anyway of resisting arale's plot shenenigans given she has passive layered plot manip and also the cab exist both inside and outside of plot at same time
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show a scan of arale avoiding hax with her plot stuff
Killerdrone123
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How is that even relevant when she is existing outside of plot and inside at the same time
Anyway her passive plot manip allows her to become the literal protagonist itself she can literally give herself the highest stats and manipulate the story in a way that she won't lose nor sustain any damage
She can exist inside and outside of the plot at the same time naturally and so she can literally use her plot based ee to erase amaterasu for good from outside the plot itself not to mention she has plot based High godly regen
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i dont understand man...how is she going to exist outside the plot when she is already getting passively damaged by those infinite layered haxes
Killerdrone123
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She already naturally does she doesn't need to exit the plot I have literally linked the scan to you she exists both inside and outside of plot at the same time amaterasu can't reach her outside the plot unless BB has some npi for it
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so incon?
Killerdrone123
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No arale can still use her plot manip or plot ee to deal with amaterasu but amaterasu can't do anything to her even if you ignore that it's victory via incap
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do we know if arale will use plot EE in character
Killerdrone123
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Preety much yes she can re write and erase characters or completely change them to her will she can even use her plot manip to shape narrative in a way that she would be always victorious no matter what
Arale is one of busted plot haxs users on wiki with her plot haxs she can do variety of things just read her plot hax section on main profile bro
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Amaterasu outscales by who knows how many infinities, same with the hax. This means only plot hax is relevant in this kind of battle and it depends if her plot stuff can affect something like Amaterasu.
I know the Master Unit: Amaterasu can't negate plot based immortality/high godly regen but damn she can incap Arale passively by just doing the Phenomena Intervention stuff and that's ignoring how she can just nuke the whole ass multiverse leaving only 1 arale to die and ressurrect for all eternity.
Amaterasu outscales by who knows how many infinities, same with the hax. This means only plot hax is relevant in this kind of battle and it depends if her plot stuff can affect something like Amaterasu.
I know the Master Unit: Amaterasu can't negate plot based immortality/high godly regen but damn she can incap Arale passively by just doing the Phenomena Intervention stuff and that's ignoring how she can just nuke the whole ass multiverse leaving only 1 arale to die and ressurrect for all eternity.
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For now that is. Anyways what’s exactly stopping Amaterasu from subconsciously Intervening against Arale and shutting her down with her massive layers of hax?
Killerdrone123
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I mean amaterasu really has no means for affecting arale that exists outside of plot and can affect it with her plot haxs
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Amaterasu’s layered hax is considered infinite right? In that case he clearly dominates in that area but there’s an issue that arises with Arale essentially residing in a territory Amarerasu doesn’t have the means of reaching. Due to that limitation I don’t think his hax would theoretically reach her. IIRC it requires layered 5D range to reach such in the first place. Her plot manipulation and plot erasure is the highlight of this battle and I think it secures her a plausible victory. Please correct me if I’m misinterpreted anywhere 
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@Killerdrone123 In what way is she unreachable when she’s not even outside of 5-D range? Amaterasu can affect that much area with her powers so unless I’m missing something, she’s susceptible to her hax.
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doesn't this imply she has to actively go outside the plot...
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“Shown to be capable” It isn’t a necessity. I don’t think this implies anything remotely close to that. It just means said characters are able to do such if they please to. There were scans sent above giving clear indications to spawns in such places. Something like this would probably be in reference to the other portions of Arale who exist throughout time as per her multilocation and acausality type 3 indexing and justification.
Killerdrone123
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She can exist simultaneously inside and outside of plot itself naturally In the fourth wall space where arale would be is beyond baseline infinite low 1c range because of c.o.t,when characters are in this 4th wall space they are preety much outside of narrative and become undetectable, uninteractable and invisible so amaterasu would need both range and plot based npi to affect her
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@Killerdrone123 Where's that stated to be a constant thing with her existence? I'm just seeing her making preschool scribbling with other 4th wall breaking shenanigans. None of this remotely mentions she can exist inside and outside the plot 24/7 as a constant state of her existence. The fact there's a clip that shows her having to physically grab animation frames out of the show doesn't really tell me she's literally inside and outside the story, just more 4th wall breaking stuff, which makes her still in range to Amaterasu's Phenomena Intervention.
Oh also the fact I don't see type 9 Immortality on Arale doesn't really convince me she has this thing where she can stay alive via some other aspect of herself existing in another plane of existence. This just seems like stretching the 4th wall breaking stuff she can do to a degree not really proven at all.
Oh also the fact I don't see type 9 Immortality on Arale doesn't really convince me she has this thing where she can stay alive via some other aspect of herself existing in another plane of existence. This just seems like stretching the 4th wall breaking stuff she can do to a degree not really proven at all.
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Sorry wrong link as you can we can see two arales one that inside the narrative while other that's present outside of it her profile is kind of outdated well sechmicah is in the process of doing so
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Are you talking about the paper airplane scan? Because all I'm seeing her is her folding a panel into a paper airplane and throwing it out like any Looney tunes character would do. That doesn't mean she's so outside of the narrative while inside that she's not interactable. If it's the scissors one, literally what part of that one panel is proof she's constantly outside of the plot 24/7 with no way for you to interact with her whatsoever? I'm not seeing this uber layered 5-D range that makes her non-interactable so I'm not really convinced she can just passively ignore Amaterasu's hax here.
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i literally just saw a scan of Arale being interacted with normally even when her plot stuff was going on, come on now
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Why are people saying range is layered lmao, this is one of those things like heat that can't be "layers"
Killerdrone123
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The seventh scan where we can see two arale one inside the narrative and the one which is literally solving the quiz and is outside of panel,even when we see toribot writting the narrative for dr slump we literally see her there and throw him away
Anyway it's getting preety late here so I am heading to sleep would look at any new posts in the morning
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Yeah I'm not convinced this is Arale constantly being able to be outside of the script and inside at the same time, at best this seems like something she has to actively do at specific scenarios for the sake of a gag and not something she does automatically. Doesn't help that the other instances of plot hax I'm seeing with Arale has to do with her still being inside the medium she's in so she's still in Amaterasu's range and can be messed with.
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Uhh, what NEP 2 does Arale even have? I see her interacting with NEP but nothing about her being an NEP being.
AlipheeseXIV
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She doesn't have NEP 2, just NEP interaction and erasure, at least as far as I can see?
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Maybe a supporter shows otherwise, idk
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So she'd still be interactable then, I fail to see why Amaterasu can't interact with Arale here, especially with her Phenomena Intervention being able to shut her down in different ways.
AlipheeseXIV
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I wasn't really keeping up with the arguments, has anyone argued that Amaterasu couldn't interact with Arale? Other than that one guy mentioning the whole "she's both inside and outside the plot" stuff but that seems to have been shot down, I thought the main argument rn was that she has HGR Amaterasu can't deal with since it's plot aspect?
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Amaterasu has different ways to negate her immortality given she can essentially erase concepts and history (granted if I get done with my BlazBlue overhaul, she's gonna do a lot more than that but I'd rather just argue with what's current accepted). Plus with Phenomena Intervention and the infinite layers Amaterasu has at a bare minimum, she'd be able to negate her resistance and incap her in other ways.
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Could you elaborate more on that? I don't really know anything about BlazBlue, doesn't help Amaterasu's page is outdated ash and has a scarce quantity of scans, all I know right now is that Arale's HGR is something she seemingly can't deal with at the moment
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Amaterasu has Phenomena Intervention, which can do basically all of this shit and is considered one of the most powerful users of it due to Amaterasu being the nigh omnipotent god in the verse. She can do this power by thinking, and a near perfect clone of her can activate Phenomena Intervention subconsciously with a thought and Amaterasu's case has a buttload of layers being infinitely above baseline at a bare minimum, to countlessly above infinitely above baseline due to her existence warping countless embryos into one, who are literal Phenomena Intervention beings manifested into reality.
AlipheeseXIV
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Curious how she has inf layers (not because I'm doubting it per se, but because I am literally curious) anyways, it looks like Amaterasu can likely incon Arale with this, especially if the whole "inside and outside the plot" thing isn't viable anymore, though I'll let the supporters hash that out. I'll refrain from giving a firm vote, but I am leaning towards Amaterasu now since this stuff is thought based
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TL;DR, the Embryo in Central Fiction affected so many individuals across infinite possibilities including Valkenhayn, a dude who's flat out told and shown to us in the story to be resistant to Phenomena Intervention. We see in separate realities that Valkenhayn is susceptible to the Intervention and given how he exists in virtually all realities, and Phenomena Intervention can be condensed to a specific target to increase in potency, it was accepted to be that level of strong with the layers. Sage Monarch is another series I can think of out of the top of my head that has similar arguments with infinite layer potency.
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Amaterasu does not incon Arale, she just stomps because Arale's plot thing isn't actually useful in combat for this match specifically
AlipheeseXIV
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I just realized I said incon, instead of incap, which is my mistake. Yeah, my vote is leaning towards her rn but since she doesn't seem to have a way to deal with Arale's HGR plot aspect I'm preferring to wait and see how things playout
AlipheeseXIV
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Oh, interesting, I didn't realize potency arguments could function in that manner to grant such a high quantity of layers. Def will keep note of that, thanks
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