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Strongest Low 1-C Characters on the Wiki
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I really doubt logic hax would be remotely enough to make a dent in Amaterasu, let alone defeat her (especially with the countless x countless infinite layers of bs) not to mention BB may actually qualify for logic bs too given what phenomena intervention is at its core
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Also holy heck I didn't realize WABS was number 2, dayum when did they get all that hax and stuff
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Ask Pegasus lol
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They are just hard to affect, albeit Cracking is like 13 different abilities at once, but still M and Edison have a nasty combo of NEP2 and Acausality type 5, since they are the God tiers of the verse minus AZZT who dreamed everything into existence, and Sanido who may be AZZT's equal, but yea these guys don't fight, so it's not like they absurd layers or anything.
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No more characters that are equal to M and Edison? from what i see, this series is pretty expansive
Killerdrone123
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Honestly why wasn't arale atleast moved up yet
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@Vietthai96 The Gods haven't been fully fleshed out yet, so we don't have a clear sense of how powerful everyone is.
Only thing we can be certain of is Edison>M, since Edison was another M, who then consumed Yog, but besides from that not much is known. Sanido for example claims to be A.Z.Z.T's equal, who is supposed to be the strongest, and within the realm of Elysisa, which is some sort of nonexistent realm, which is also Sanido herself, there exists Elysians who from memory Hypnos is one of the more powerful ones, and it's stated time and space are meaningless to him too, just like M who has those sort of statements.
But anyway, we haven't seen any Gods fighting yet, and the cosmology hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, since the VN's usually stay somewhat grounded so far, we haven't gotten anything God focused, but we know Demonbane is now part of it, so it presumably will be fleshed out, albeit maybe not by Steampunk's author who hasn't touched it in years and is busy doing Fate stuff, but maybe by Demonbane's author.
Only thing we can be certain of is Edison>M, since Edison was another M, who then consumed Yog, but besides from that not much is known. Sanido for example claims to be A.Z.Z.T's equal, who is supposed to be the strongest, and within the realm of Elysisa, which is some sort of nonexistent realm, which is also Sanido herself, there exists Elysians who from memory Hypnos is one of the more powerful ones, and it's stated time and space are meaningless to him too, just like M who has those sort of statements.
But anyway, we haven't seen any Gods fighting yet, and the cosmology hasn't been fully fleshed out yet, since the VN's usually stay somewhat grounded so far, we haven't gotten anything God focused, but we know Demonbane is now part of it, so it presumably will be fleshed out, albeit maybe not by Steampunk's author who hasn't touched it in years and is busy doing Fate stuff, but maybe by Demonbane's author.
Killerdrone123
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I mean can amaterasu even interact with arale given she is present both inside and outside of plot and canuse her plot haxs
Even if you ignore above arale has accausality type 3 where multiple versions of her exist which can replace the original one with knowledge of the battle and lead with exiting plot.
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Damn, the verse is still running i guess
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Dunno if she can but if she does then it doesn't matter the immortality or acausality since amaterasu can nuke every single multiverse within
Killerdrone123
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She is outside of plot itself,also does he starts with cosmology nuke
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Just remove DBH from the list and end the suffering.
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can you ping @Theglassman12 in this thread
Arale vs Amaterasu - Strongest 5-D Character
ARALE VS AMATERASU Fusion Arale - Standar Battle Assumptions(SBA) - Speed Equalized
also guys im just going to do 'Characters from Devil May Cry (Dante and Mundus) for 7th spot since they layer stomp vhd
although vhd might stomp dmc if speed is not equalized
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D still has his aura that can passively cause fear down to the concept, DMC guys aren't going to be able to actually kill D due to his several layers of High Godly and High Godly regen neg resistance, in addition to having his own high godly regen neg + being able to cut folks concepts, the only real pain point is the passives but D is a)Entirely liable to adapt, b)Mundus doesn't actually resist D's own passives c)Some of that stuff D just won't care about (the illusion hax is going to end with D cutting through and killing the illusions for example)
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this lowkey sounds like an idea and a half (who the hell in dbh should be able to beat her)
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Part me of me feels D’s profile is massively outdated.
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@Robo432343 so the main wincon was the layers right? can´t we use the same argument to say those with a lot of layers like dante/mundus win too?
FoxySonicMaster108
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Is there an explanation as to why Devilman is on the list (Pretty sure some of Guilty Gear would beat him but I’m curious)
FoxySonicMaster108
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oh lolno i just put him there
I heard about that, but that doesn’t seem to be case now? I feel like that would’ve been fixed by now (that and Sol’s match with Kai Ninjago happened so)
I guess until something comes up, I’d say Guilty Gear should be above Devilman for sure as the verse already has characters that use 12 layers of Magic that has Information Manip and others (although more notable examples include Sol Badguy, I-No, Happy Chaos, Axl Low, Ky Kiske) I could go on and on.
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Hypertimeline thread going nowhere it seems aside from some minor bits about clarification (Which I strongly doubt will change the current verses anyhow).
A bigger issue now would be Invulnerability and Layers as a whole getting nuked. Battles will be hell and a half to debate again.
A bigger issue now would be Invulnerability and Layers as a whole getting nuked. Battles will be hell and a half to debate again.
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Check the "Small Tweaks to Invulnerability" thread where Armor is proposing a name change and the "It's time we talked about layers and qualitative superiority" thread (This comment from DontTalkDT specifically).
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Actually the thread about layers still keeping layers, but DontTalk and Agnaa said layer isn't an absolute wincon in a vs match anymore, hax potency and other qualities are still need to be considered in a match
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Lowkey nuking layers is a good idea. It makes some matchups impossible to argue because people just spam "X character has 48582484 layers hax so it's a stomp FRA."
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If this passes, all verse layer chains get gutted because all of them are pretty much a potency/magnitude increase.
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correct me if im wrong but isn't layers the best way to tell who wins in a fight? like if character A has 20 layers for all his abilities and he's fighting B who has 15 layers for all his abilities then character A simply stomps
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It's not even the nuking part that makes me angry. It's that the same man who proposed layers, DT himself, is now removing it because his verse Toaru is getting mogged for not having enough layers. It's kinda funny if you ask me.
Why even make it if you don't want it in the first place.
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DontTalk's new comment implies the proposal would gut how we do layers currently, with his new proposal, verses will have to find other methods to find layers that don't involve a mere increase potency/magnitude in power.
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Hard to do, probably there are some verses out there can get, but this just make hax layer into a pseudo-resistance negation which rather we just nuke layer altogether
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Wait, the NEP layer is layer for state of existence ability, DontTalk comment only affect layers for offensive hax bruhhhh
lol this is a good example of whats going on right now with layers
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PAIN SUFFERING AGONY TORMENT
At least we go back to 2018 era of battleboarding and can't for the life of us figure out whose hax is more potent. Makes fights more interesting anyway.
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Very few verses, if at all, actually have layers for states of existence. Almost all of the verses overwhelmingly employ layers for offensive hax.
Like, how often are you going to find people even more abstract than AE1 CM1 entities?
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I think we do have layered Incorporeality or Intangibility, but yeah, AE1 is very hard to have layer, almost impossible
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I mean I'd argue D just beats them anyways, but that'd require actually going back and arguing about the DBH aura stuff. And to be quite honest, I do not care. D is not only not a character I am a particular fan of (mostly because I only know of him in the periphery), but also because I cannot be ****** to argue with DBH supporter about this. So yeah, they can share the spot.
I mean by what measure? D's profile was updated in March of last year, and I'd say its format is entirely fine, better than the average, even. But if you mean in terms of content, then yeah, sure, could be, no idea how true that could be.
No?
The intent is that hax layers are simply just another measure by which the strength of a hax can be measured, in parallel with potency and other mechanics
It's just a matter of comparing the things in their relevant thread, which is entirely preferred if I'm to be honest, considering how many verses actually use potency
And layers are still as easy to get as before, even if the system of the verse uses a UES for its layers, the main thing that segment is about is cutting out layered fire manip and layered poison manip stuff, if someone uses mindhax on a hundred people and can focus that on a single person, that hax is more potent, and thus stronger, through a quantative means, meanwhile if someone uses mindhax on someone who already resists it, even if they have it through having or manipulating stronger energies, that hax is more layered, and thus stronger, through a qualitative means.
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Damn, Greeza's 17 now
AlipheeseXIV
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It is and honestly it worked as a pretty good metric system in my opinion. Yeah it sucked to hear your character gets outdone in terms of layers, but at least it was an accepted, straightforward way to understand why characters within the same tier were superior to one another despite having the same abilities. Really, all removing layers is going to achieve is have a bunch of people wanking tf out of their character because "well this guy is >>>>>>> x character>>>>>>>>>>y character fodder" and actual bullshit like that. Basically the same way people already are with RE
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