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I was gunna ask you that, the question is do you want me or Matt to do it?Antvasima said:Well, I suppose that Grudgeman seems to make sense. However, we would likely have to insert a footnote explanation into M.Bison's page that the feat is considered non-canon.
Sadly no it is not, but not like it matters, we already know gill is incredibly powerful, while his character is mysterious he's still one of SFs strongest characters. However Who he is stronger than is up to debate.Kryptonian Supremacy said:@Grudgeman1706 Is Gill's Street Fighter 3rd Strike Ending Canon?
yeah that's trueMatthew Schroeder said:Both by lists, be them primary or secundary canon, and by feats will put him at above everyone minus Oni and Ingrid.
Look man, you need to stop typing in such a manner. I've told you before and if you reply to me the same way like how you're typing already, I will report you.Kryptonian Supremacy said:Can Someone Legitimately Explain To Me Why We Accept Non Canon Character/Character Stats But Not Non Canon Street Fighter Ending Feats On The Vs Battle Wiki Characters Profiles?
Like SERIOUSLY, Evil Ryu And Cody Travers Strength + The Entire Concept Of Oni Akuma Is Non Canon.
Yet They're Referenced On The Character Profiles.
Let Alone The Fact That All Street Fighter Endings Are What-If's And Are Completely Plausible.
I'll Wait.
@Kryptonian supremacy, no it isn't, the thing is Yes the concept of Oni akuma is noncannon(however it's hinted he could possibly exist some day in a future game but for now he doesn't technically exist.) also evil ryu and onus stats don't contradict or collied with anything unlike chun lis ending. Also take note we don't use evil Ryus or oni endings from the games to anything, and chun lis ending also has a tons of impossible or completely different things happen in chun lis ending (Charlie never dying, the base is never destroyed, Alpha 3 bison getting defeated by chun li), . So comparing them is arbitraryKryptonian Supremacy said:My Bad man, won't happen again.
But by that same logic, The feats in M. Bison's, Chun-Li's, And Gill's Endings Can Count Since They Don't Contradict the established Canon either.
So I Guess I Can Use Them In Debates From Now On.
@Antvasima should we still let Matt write the note about the reason why we can't use the chun li ending for the street fighter verse profile, or should I do it. At this point I've (no offense to anyone) entered a circular argument and it looks like most everyone has agreed with not using the chun li ending.Antvasima said:@Matthew Schroeder This thread does not appear to go anywhere. Would you like to create a new one, with an initial summary post of the relevant issues, in order to get more community input, similarly to what you did for the current Sonic discussion?
That is fine, I was just asking since it seems Matt hasn't said anything at the moment about agreeing to do that.Antvasima said:It is probably better if Matthew handles it.
I don't believe we use any noncanon feats for the street fighters(mostly every top, mid to low tier minus the fodder like dan or Sean, are scaled to chun lis kikiosho feat which happens shortly after the events of SF 2, so that is fine.)Antvasima said:Yes, as I alluded to earlier, I would prefer more community input regarding what feats we should or should not count. If we currently use some endings, but not others, that does in fact seem contradictory.
I guess that is fine, bits it's preferable if their is only 1 thing different, however if that one thing heavily contradicts the story, than it can't be used.TISSG7Redgrave said:Some endings that link with the canon can be used if they never contradict the true ending then its fine to use them as feats
I agree, also Bison having a Mach 313 feat is consistent with Akuma being Mach 349.Matthew Schroeder said:I still think that the reason the characters were downgraded is very bad. Bison's feat happens in literally 90% of the Alpha 3 endings. It doesn't matter if it doesn't happen in the canon ending, as there is no indication that Bison is suddenly hundreds of times faster in those others. All the endings are what-ifs, anyway, showing what could happen. And we are generally fine with using alternate endings for Tekken.