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ULTIMATE Street Fighter Upgrades (Ingrid Edition)

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Ingrid is the most powerful Street Fighter character BY FAR and we have a lot to unpack!

Ingrid's abilities: Superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, stamina, endurance, resilience, flight/levitation, sensing, immortality/longevity, invisibility, telekinesis, teleportation, precognition, energy sense, portal creation shape-shifting, self-sustenance, cosmic awareness,.clairvoyance, clairvoyance immunity, photokinesis, faint inducement, energy manipulation, reality manipulation, space/time manipulation [time freeze]

PLANETARY (At Minimum) scaling for Base form Ingrid: Ingrid stated that she's fought many of Streer Fighter 6 Avatar's acquaintances across space and time; Avatar has been trained and mastered the combat styles of Ryu, Sagat Akuma, M. Bison and many others. Additionally, Ingrid stated that she fought The Prince of Darkness, Demitri Maximoff, and the Ruler of the Universe, Pyron, but regardless of their origins and titles they were all no match for her in direct combat [19:55]: ]; Ingrid defeated and sealed away Pyron during her Capcom Fighting Evolution ending: https://youtu.be/Qq9wE9v0msU?si=Rz5dikJ7ZbKlCHO5 ]; In Karin's ending, Capcom Fighting Evolution Pyron was powerful enough to destroy Planet Hellstorm: https://youtu.be/lrFGPUhBHc0?si=X0Ph2vhWRKBZGHC1 ]; Ingrid stating that none of Avatar's acquaintances were a match for her would make her superior to Capcom Fighting Evolution Shin Akuma, who destroyed a Massive Meteor: https://youtu.be/xbVoNUdmgIY?si=eCAoPailQntvEkD8 ]

Multiversal (At Minimum) scaling for True Form Ingrid (Ingrid's corporeal form [Shadow Puppet] is a projection of her being that resides in a Higher Dimension [Ingrid is the projection of a being who's true form and shape can't be substantiated in Avatar's world]; Ingrid stated that it's impossible for her to use her full strength and breadth of powers in the cosmos, for as vast as the world is, it simply lacks the complexity to wholly manifest an extradimensional being who possesses the power to consign Entire Universes to Oblivion [17:00] [17:40] [31:10]:

Ingrid is fueled by the Power of the Sun and can project beams of pure concentrated sunlight:

Ingrid's True Form resides in a Higher Dimension and Ingrid has many projections of herself across the Multiverse [17:00] [23:40]:

Relativistic travel speed for Corporeal Form Ingrid (Ingrid's Monoids, and by extension Ingrid herself, fly and/or travel using PHOTONIC PROPULSION [1:30]: https://youtu.be/VYaiZEFP5DA?si=VmDS3Cxte0uwi3QA ]

Multiversal range with Teleportation and Portal Creation (Ingrid is stated to be able to travel through Parallel Worlds; Street Fighter's Cosmos is a Multiverse that is comprised of an Infinite number of Universes [26:35]:

Ingrid is a master martial artist who possesses knowledge of the martial secrets of the Universe and has millennia of combat experience [14:10] [32:20]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83 ]. Additionally, Ingrid has stated that she's the mysteries of the Universe given perfect form [14:30]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83

Ingrid's Feats/Statements:

Ingrid telekinetically lifted Shadaloo's Psycho Drive: https://youtu.be/pKva40EpoA4?si=fNVCdFMPv78BqtiQ

Ingrid's Monoids, and by extension Ingrid herself, fly and/or travel using Photonic Propulsion: https://youtu.be/VYaiZEFP5DA?si=VmDS3Cxte0uwi3QA ]

Ingrid created the Nulspace (Ingrid's Pocket Dimension that is between worlds; Ingrid's Interworld Subspace which is created by collecting and compressing infinitesimal tears in the fabric of space/time from across the cosmos ) [13:30] [26:55]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83

Ingrid's moniker as a Code Holder means that she possesses an esoteric symbol called a Code which are strings woven into an extraordinary world-shaping power called a Program and, in some cases, executing Codes into a particular sequence can lead to that world's termination [Essentially, Codes are powerful enough to End Worlds] [16:00]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83

Ingrid can perform a World-scale Apoptosis, ridding a system of errant elements for the betterment of the whole. These purges help maintain stability across the Multiverse [21:25]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83

Ingrid stated that it's impossible for her to use her full strength and breadth of powers in the cosmos, for as vast as the world is, it simply lacks the complexity to wholly manifest an extradimensional being who possesses the power to consign Entire Universes to Oblivion [31:10]: https://youtu.be/gt0qsTsyLlQ?si=e9azgZ78s8bKVd83

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? (I'm gonna need A LOT of help with creating Ingrid's Street Fighter 6 Vs Battles Wiki profile as well!)

Agree: 4 (@Theglassman12 [staff], @SamanPatou [staff], @Maniaunavailable, @GilverTheProtoAngelo )

Disagree:
 
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Her Avatar should scale above the Darkstalkers Cast. Ingrid's Crossover appearances are all canon. Not only does she regularly break the fourth wall, address the player character directly and acknowledge that she's a videogame character, but in SF6 she references Capcom Fighting Evolution in her dialogue. Her ending of that game shows that she beat up the entire cast including Pyron (the final boss).

She's also behind the plot of Street Fighter x Tekken, where she created the reality-warping Pandora Box.
 
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Street Fighter™ 6 - Ingrid opens a new dimension into Street Fighter 6 on May 28! - Steam News

Hello there, Terrans! Ingrid here to talk to you directly about how wonderful I’m going to be when I join the Street Fighter 6 roster on May 28! Wow, we’re already on the sixth installment. Feels like just a few seconds ago when I graced you with my presence, albeit not in any mainline series...
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Ingrid also states that she's sandbagging when she fights other characters and merely pretending to be hurt: "The OD version comes out much quicker and is a great option after getting knocked down. In case you’re wondering, I’m letting you knock me down"

And also that if she used her full power when fighting us she'd destroy the universe: "Don’t worry, I’m going easy on you Terrans. If I used the full extent of my powers, you wouldn’t exist to read this blog on something called “Steam.”

This is consistent with her destroying an alternate universe on-screen during SF6. So even her Avatar should be Low 2-C, while her true form is probably like Low 1-C ro something.
 
@Matthew_Schroeder HELL YES!

I completely agree with everything you've said here!

One thing though

It's obvious that Ingrid is one being across every single game she's appeared in but are we absolutely certain that we want to include Ingrid's appearance from.the Street Fighter X Tekken prequel comic in that bucket?

Because none of it was referenced in her Street Fighter 6 lore to my immediate knowledge

I think it's fine to use personally, because it's clearly Capcom's intent for the character to exist across the infinite MULTIVERSE, but I wanted to be 100% sure you felt this way before we move forward.
 
I know that I need actual staff members to get the SF6 revisions done.

I just wanted to know if you agreed with them or not.
 
I don’t see any Akuma upscaling from this so I disagree on principle 🗿
 
And what’s the chances he actually won that fight or even left a bruise on her avatar?
 
the Planetary scaling should just be flat out Low 2-C given she quite literally shatters reality into Oblivion by nicking at it unless there's something I'm not aware of.

True Form should be Low 1-C, not 2-A imo since she's very explictly in a higher dimension compared to the Capcom Multiverse she's observing.
 
Theglassman12 said:
the Planetary scaling should just be flat out Low 2-C given she quite literally shatters reality into Oblivion by nicking at it unless there's something I'm not aware of.

True Form should be Low 1-C, not 2-A imo since she's very explictly in a higher dimension compared to the Capcom Multiverse she's observing.
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That all seems totally reasonable to me.

Universe level+ Base Form Ingrid & Low Complex Multiverse level True Form Ingrid!

So do you AGREE with my proposed revisions?
 
I've already been working on a profile for Ingrid myself in the past days and it'll take a while more, I was meaning to post a similar but more concised and organzed thread (sorry Continuum, but this crt is a formatting mess).

Overall, I do agree with most of the things here stated, though I must criticize a few aspects.

By our tiering system standards and policies, just being higher-dimensional doesn't necessarily qualify for any tier, so she can be at most Low 2-C for erasing single universes one at a time.

Photonic propulsion doesn't authomatically spell like light speed or anything of the sort. The Monoids seems to imply they use light as fuel to propel themselves, which is different from moving at the speed of light. It's unquantifiable due to vagueness and being a science-defying concept.

The rest is overall fine, but I would ask the courtesy to give me time to complete the draft of the profile I've been working on, as most of its content overlaps with yours.
 
SamanPatou said:
I've already been working on a profile for Ingrid myself in the past days and it'll take a while more, I was meaning to post a similar but more concised and organzed thread (sorry Continuum, but this crt is a formatting mess).

Overall, I do agree with most of the things here stated, though I must criticize a few aspects.

By our tiering system standards and policies, just being higher-dimensional doesn't necessarily qualify for any tier, so she can be at most Low 2-C for erasing single universes one at a time.

Photonic propulsion doesn't authomatically spell like light speed or anything of the sort. The Monoids seems to imply they use light as fuel to propel themselves, which is different from moving at the speed of light. It's unquantifiable due to vagueness and being a science-defying concept.

The rest is overall fine, but I would ask the courtesy to give me time to complete the draft of the profile I've been working on, as most of its content overlaps with yours.
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Excellent!

Thanks for responding!

Take your time with the Ingrid stuff dude!

I'm looking forward to the end result!
 
Welp, the profile is ready, it technically wouldn't even need a CRT because it's a new page and below tier 1, but for the sake of transparency, I'll ask here and in the discussion thread for a few opinions on it.
 
I'm not sure why we're not having a separate key for her true self being tier 1 when her avatar itself destroyed an entire universe with no effort. Given how Ingrid's portrayed with her knowing the grander Capcom Multiverse I'm pretty sure this should be grounds for her having a tier 1 true form.
 
Afaik just being a higher-dimensional entity doesn't outright qualify as tier 1, unless the character also showcases such levels of power, which is often the case, but not this one.
 
She does exist in a state of existence where the worlds she sees are literal pictures in a story book, idk that seems to justify some form of tier 1 power for her true self if she quite literally is beyond the multiverse itself.
 
There's actually nothing pointing out to R>F trascendence and the universes are pretty real to her, so the books seem to be more tools used to interact with the universes, rather than real containers.
 
I'm not talking about R>F type scaling, otherwise I'd flat out say she's 1-A. I'm saying the fact she sees these worlds as pictures in a sea of other books/pictures in this higher dimension should be enough to argue she has some tier 1 scaling in her true form, so at bare minimum Low 1-C.
 
Noted, I'm not an expert on tier 1, so I can't really judge it.
Btw, the place where we see her floating with the books isn't the higher dimension, but the interspace between worlds (mentioned a few other times as well), because there are still Monoids around, and they exist only in the reality below her own, so technically her HD self is above even that.
 
Honestly knowing how she's just blatantly aware of the Capcom multiverse, if Dragon's Dogma ever got a verse page she'd get a huge buff from upscaling from them.
 
2-A would be a massive lowball considering what we know about Ingrid's true form, Low 1-C is probably the most conservative rating you can give to her while also being sensible.
 
The problem is that I'm not sure just being higher-dimensional qualifies for AP in her case, at least according to our FAQs.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Honestly knowing how she's just blatantly aware of the Capcom multiverse, if Dragon's Dogma ever got a verse page she'd get a huge buff from upscaling from them.
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I think someone was working on that at one point and then just stopped. I could be thinking about something else though.
 
SamanPatou said:
Welp, the profile is ready, it technically wouldn't even need a CRT because it's a new page and below tier 1, but for the sake of transparency, I'll ask here and in the discussion thread for a few opinions on it.
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Lokks good!

I agree with Tarcaver and Glasssman that Ingrid should be MUCH more powerful though

SPECIFICALLY True Form Ingrid!

It's repeatedly stated that Ingrid is the COSMOS INCARNATE and Ingrid explicitly states that the COSMOS is a MULTIVERSE comprised of Infinite Universes so Multiverse Level+ (2-A) for True Form Ingrid seems fair!
 
I do think she should have a second key for her true form since it seems clear that its stronger than her projections, but I dunno if the information we have on that is enough for her to be Low 1-C instead of being a higher degree of Low 2-C. It's stated a normal universe can't handle her true form but I don't recall anything that says the entire cosmos/multiverse as a whole would also fail to contain her power (Unless she says so in the Japanese version, dunno if anyone's checked that).

Continuum19 said:
It's repeatedly stated that Ingrid is the COSMOS INCARNATE and Ingrid explicitly states that the COSMOS is a MULTIVERSE comprised of Infinite Universes so Multiverse Level+ (2-A) for True Form Ingrid seems fair!
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Where was it stated her true form is the "cosmos incarnate"?
 
Dust_Collector said:
I do think she should have a second key for her true form since it seems clear that its stronger than her projections, but I dunno if the information we have on that is enough for her to be Low 1-C instead of being a higher degree of Low 2-C. It's stated a normal universe can't handle her true form but I don't recall anything that says the entire cosmos/multiverse as a whole would also fail to contain her power (Unless she says so in the Japanese version, dunno if anyone's checked that).


Where was it stated her true form is the "cosmos incarnate"?
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Ingrid calls herself the Cosmos Incarnate at 6:10 & 14:10 of this video:

Ingrid also explicitly stated that she's the mysteries of the UNIVERSE given perfect form!

If Ingrid is the embodiment of the Cosmos and the cosmos is a Multiverse made up of infinite universes then it's safe to say that Ingrid is 2-A

My assumption is that Ingrid is talking about her True Form but she doesn't explicitly state that her True Form is the Cosmos Incarnate (though it's a safe assumption that she's talking about her True Form in my opinion)

My rationalization is that Ingrid simply calls herself the Cosmos Incarnate to keep it simple because whenever she tries to go in-depth on what she ACTUALLY is AVATAR (John World Tour) gets confused
 
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