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Street Fighter Overhaul
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This video was made by Capcom UK, it's not 100% reliable. Oro and Akuma are equals, and Akuma destroying a meteorite happened in his Capcom Fighting Evolution ending, which is also where Ingrid comes from, so she isn't canon to the SF storyline.Twellas said:
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And Pre-Leukemia Gen.BlackDarkness679 said:
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Forgot of Gen, him too
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Gill is obviously above Bison, plus from dialogues Akuma level characters say Gill is that strong
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The fact it uses non canon stuff like CFE meteor feat, its not rely reliable, as BrainSword said too, Oro and Akuma are equals
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Isn't Akuma just slightly stronger then Oro?
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no indication was given, they are depicted as equals when they fought with no winner in that one
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Considering the video was also made before SFV because now black moons Bison is stronger than psycho drive (hell Fangs ending shows both which sounds like a ridiculously high upgrade) the only shaky stuff in said video is mentioning the meteor feat, even when Ingrid is brought up she's disregarded because of little info. The placing of each character works with the scaling. Oro is only equal to base Akuma since Shin or Oni haven't appeared in canon so if we were to scale those version they'd likely be the strongest in the verse.
Actually now that I think about it, Shin Akuma technically non-canon to begin with, would using that feat even be a problem outside of being a potential outlier? Shin Akuma has like no feats outside of that and fighting Evil Ryu doesn't even count since Evil Ryu doesn't have many feats either. Base Akuma is already capable of one shotting Alpha 3 Bison and Kage got....BFRed?.... Dispelled?.... What the hell did Akuma do to Kage actually?
Actually now that I think about it, Shin Akuma technically non-canon to begin with, would using that feat even be a problem outside of being a potential outlier? Shin Akuma has like no feats outside of that and fighting Evil Ryu doesn't even count since Evil Ryu doesn't have many feats either. Base Akuma is already capable of one shotting Alpha 3 Bison and Kage got....BFRed?.... Dispelled?.... What the hell did Akuma do to Kage actually?
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Shin Akuma is canon, he appeared one time canonically, he is just featless
The feat is from a crossover game, you cant count it no matter what
He knocked Kage down with that move he shouted, Kage left after, you can hear him jump away after the hit
The feat is from a crossover game, you cant count it no matter what
He knocked Kage down with that move he shouted, Kage left after, you can hear him jump away after the hit
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Isn't Shin Akuma Akuma going all out?
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Shin Akuma is him going all out and has no more moral code on him at all, pretty much a lesser demonic Oni to put it simply
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Shin Akuma is canon, Oni isn't. One-Handed Oro was able to hold Base Akuma to a stalemate, and they both know they'd kill each other if they used their true strength. Akuma's battle with Kage was spiritual, Kage doesn't have a physical body.N-nani said:
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With Gill's feat as 6-C is actually pretty good in general due the gap between the top and god tiers of Street Fighter main timeline and due being the second 6-C feat, or third if Oni's feat gets similar results when recalc.
I'm still iffy to considering Kage in the same category as Akuma due he didn't fought Kage with all his might (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjQ8F3pLzw&t=337s) and Ryu wasn't even scared of him at all.
Also, this means that it could make a case to E. Honda's Meteor feat as 7-A instead of a 6-C feat, but is probably for the better to wait until the rest of feats were analysed.
I'm still iffy to considering Kage in the same category as Akuma due he didn't fought Kage with all his might (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjQ8F3pLzw&t=337s) and Ryu wasn't even scared of him at all.
Also, this means that it could make a case to E. Honda's Meteor feat as 7-A instead of a 6-C feat, but is probably for the better to wait until the rest of feats were analysed.
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Kage is basically Oni, the SnH entity. The only difference is that Kage is Ryu's shadow while Oni is Akuma's shadow. He's the strongest char, he just needs a vessel.PuasLuisZX said:
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His arcade ending isnt known if its canon, especially since in his own story he vanquishes away after Ryu ignored him
Where do you see Kage comparable to Oni? All we are given is that they will battle, yet we dont know how it will go down at all
Where do you see Kage comparable to Oni? All we are given is that they will battle, yet we dont know how it will go down at all
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Kage doesnt call it a Deathmatch, where are you seeing Kage speaking?Thats the narration of the ending by narrator and that alone isnt proof to be comparable to another, neither that them being the same thing doesTwellas said:
We dont even see how the match even goes or who wins, you just make big assumptions here with evidence to back it up, Oni is the only character that would scale to his feat
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If Kage is as strong as Oni (or at least enough to give him a battle to the death) then wouldn't that decrease the gap between it and Akuma?
Along with the implications that Ryu or Sagat could even survive such an encounter?
Not that those characters aren't strong but Oni is a whole other league.
Along with the implications that Ryu or Sagat could even survive such an encounter?
Not that those characters aren't strong but Oni is a whole other league.
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Ryu and Sagat wont get anything out of it, in fiction many low tiered characters survive encounters with other above their league, but that doesnt change anything for them
Kage cant be assumed to be on Oni level if there isnt enough proof of that, a deathmatch doesnt equal the characters are on par with each other
Kage cant be assumed to be on Oni level if there isnt enough proof of that, a deathmatch doesnt equal the characters are on par with each other
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It is much better that we focus on getting something constructive done here than derail with unnecessary discussion.
For example, has anybody asked some of the calc group members to evaluate the Gill calculation blog yet?
For example, has anybody asked some of the calc group members to evaluate the Gill calculation blog yet?
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@Twellas
Can you stop with your head canons and assumptions?
First of all the SF4 arcade ending grom.that game for example isnt Evil Ryu talking there, him talking in that one is when the " " appear, none of the arcade endings are the characters talking
Second of all a death match or fight to the death isnt =/= characters comparable to another other, unless you wanna say Giorno and Diavolo in their last battle both were comparable when its clear the other was way above the league for his opponent
Kage isnt comparable to Oni and Oni isnt canon, trying to scale to a character he never fought at all
Can you stop with your head canons and assumptions?
First of all the SF4 arcade ending grom.that game for example isnt Evil Ryu talking there, him talking in that one is when the " " appear, none of the arcade endings are the characters talking
Second of all a death match or fight to the death isnt =/= characters comparable to another other, unless you wanna say Giorno and Diavolo in their last battle both were comparable when its clear the other was way above the league for his opponent
Kage isnt comparable to Oni and Oni isnt canon, trying to scale to a character he never fought at all
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The discussion isnt needed, Oni is the strongest god tier of the verse, Kage already has anyway his feat of beating Akuma before he gets knocked back by him and leaves
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Yeah didn't we agree Oni wasn't canon at all and is only a hypothetical transformation for Akuma
