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So I made this CRT thread for Stranger Things a few months back, but I made it before Season 4 was finished and before I even watched any episodes of Season 4 yet. And once season 4 was done, I kind of forgot to update the thread. So this CRT will mainly be me restating the points I have already made, as well as new feats for characters that should be added in Season 4.
Mike Wheeler
As I said in my previous thread, Mike shouldn't be Athlete Level. His fight with Lucus wouldn't make him Athlete Level due to the fact that Lucas didn't become 10-A until Season 4, and the 2 had their fight in Season 1, when they were both 12 and not 15. So Mike shouldn't scale to Season 4 Lucus, and should be 10-B. His other feat of knocking over Flayed Billy is likely an outlier, as no human on earth would realsitically be strong enough to injure Flayed Billy, even with a weapon. Unless that weapon was an explosive or something. I will get into Flayed Billy later, but for now, that feat is likely an outlier.
Mike didn't really get any new feats in Season 4 other than some potential intelligence feats, so just changing his tier should be good enough.
Dustin Henderson
I still think all of my previous points from the 1st CRT still stand. There are some things to change though.
First, being good at singing and having good Wisdom aren't hacks. Those 2 hacks shouldn't be there, and are more suited for the intelligence section. Preperation and High Pain Tolerance should be there though, as Dustin could still walk on his broken leg at a pretty normal speed without screaming his head off with every step, which is some insane levels of pain tolerence. Preperation should hopefully be self explanitory.
Dustin should also probably have his spear listed as a weapon for him, and have his AP listed as "10-B, 9-C with Weaponry". Everything else looks fine though
Max Mayfield
Max actually has some pretty impressive showings from both this season and the previous seasons that should be on the profile.
First, Max should have Supernatural Willpower, as she was able to escape from Vecna's curse with some assistance from her friends, and managed to avoid Vecna for some time while in his curse, even though he was showing her some of ther worst fears and experiences, and she managed to keep her will strong the entire time. She should also have Vehicular Mastery due to showing great skill with driving under pressure and being a good skater. She would also likely have Sleep Manipulation due to having access to sedatives which she used to knock out Billy.
Pretty much everything else said in the og CRT still applies to her, such as the nerf to her intelligence as well as removing some AP feats that don't work.
Nancy Wheeler
Pretty much everything I said about Nancy in the 1st CRT still applies. To sum up what changes were made to her, her AP should be nerfed to Human Level, but her durability shoud be kept at Athlete Level, and her firearms should be Street Level. She should also have her intelligence as Gifted, and she should be given Preperation as a hack. Season 4 pretty much just enforced these more.
Edit: Her firearms should stay at Wall Level and she should get Social Influencing for talking the head of the mental hospital into letting her see Victor Kreel
Steve Harrington
Last time, I said that there was pretty much nothing I wanted to change about Steve.That's quite the opposite now. Best Mom should be Street Level now. Steve was capable of killing the Demobats with his bare hands, which Eddie and Dustin had trouble doing with spears and Nancy had trouble doing with an ore. Not only that, but Steve could straight up rip one in half. So pretty much, Steve scales above Street Level Weapons. He could also survive a small group of them biting into him, with Demobats being able to cause severe damage to doors and windows. Steve is also scalable to Johnathan, who could break a cop's nose with a backhand, which would require this much energy. Thus, Steve should be Street Level.
Other than that, there really isn't much else that can be added to Steve's profile. Just give my boy some peak human physical characteristics and we are golden for him.
Edit: He should also get "Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant" for outclassing a trained russian soldier in a hand-to-hand fight and vehicular mastery for showing great skill with vehicals. He should also have high pain tolerance for still being able to fight after brutal interogation at the hands of the Soviets
Eddie Munson
Eddie, the man I blame for ruining the Stranger Things Fandom.Eddie should probably have Street Level durability, as he survived an entire swarm of Demobats eating him until he eventually bled out due to his injuries. That's honestly all I have for him. Everything else looks fine.
Hopper & Grigori
Both of these characters scale to each other. There are 2 things I would change.
1. Hopper directly scales to Grigori in LS, so Hopper should have Class 1 LS
2. Hopper managed to kill a Demogorgon with a sword, meaning that Hopper should be somewhat scalable to the Demogorgon, who scales to this calc. Because Grigori is just as strong as Hopper, he should scale too
Note: Before we move on from the Hawkings Citizens and go into the Hawkings Lab experiements and Upside Down Characters, I think we should make profiles for Billy Hargrove and Murray. Both have feats in combat, and both are prevelant characters and fighters in the series. Another reason to give them profiles is because I do believe that we should seperate the Flayed from the Mind Flayer, and because Billy is the only Flayed person we see in a fight, I think we should just move the Flayed Key to his profile. I already made prototypes for their profiles in this sandbox
008
Literally none of Kali’s AP feats that are listed are AP, they are illusion creation, and it all should be removed and put into the hacks section. It also mentions in Kali’s standard equipment that she has a gun, so her tier should be “10-B, 9-C with her Gun”. I have nothing else for her other than that, and her profile looks good otherwise.
009
I don't think the comics are canon anymore, so her profile should probably be removed.
If we still want to keep her profile, then Nine’s fire would scale to 9-A, due to it turning a human to char and due to her fire destroying multiple houses. Even if her having 9-A fire doesn’t work, the durability required to survive being set on fire is 26,000 Joules. And because she can control fire, her fire’s AP should be the same, which would put her powers in Wall Level.
011
First thing's first, her tier. It should be Building Level+, not City Block Level+. I legitamitly do not understand where we got City Block Level+ from. The calc it links on her page is 1.38 tons of TnT. I don't understand why we have it as City Block Level+, nor why we haven't changed it yet. Eleven should also have Large Town Level+ Environmental Destruction due to being able to open portals, which can cause this level of environmental destruction.
As for El's physicallity, she caused Angelia to bleed by hitting her on the head with a rollerskate and survived being flung into a wall as a young child, so Human Level AP and Durability for her still works.
This part might be debatable, but I do believe that we should give El 2 keys. Her before the Nina Project and her after the Nina Project. As Dr. Sam Owens said, the Nina Project would not only give her her powers back, but make them stronger. This was also shown when Eleven easily overpowered and destroyed a helicopter (Class 10 LS feat btw. Those helicopters weigh 6,000kg. Prior to this, El has only shown Class 5 LS feats), and when she could overpower Vecna, who was implied to be just as powerful as the mind flayer, who scales to Pre-Nina Eleven. This might require further discussion, but I do personally think that she should have 2 keys. If not, then bump her LS up to Class 10
El has also demonstraited healing abilities when she saved Max's life, and she has shown Dimentional Travel and BFR as the portals can travel dimentions and she can BFR people with her portals. This is about it for her.
The Demogorgon
RoTt35 already made a great sandbox for the Demogorgon here, so we can just apply this sandbox to the Demogorgon and it should work. We would just need to add Large Town Level+ Environmental Destruction
The Mind Flayer
Main Body
The only issue I have with the Mind Flayer’s Main Body is the Lifting Strength Section. “Lifting Strength: Unknown (It is a vast hive-mind interconnected to every single living thing in the Upside Down, as well as the roots that crawl under its interior, and likely holds control over other aspects of the desolate planet as well, such as the spores floating throughout its surface)”. I’m sorry, but how is this Lifting Strength? I think this part should just be removed, and the Main Body’s LS should just be kept as unknown.
Also, AP should be changed from 8-B to 8-C
Edit: He should also have resistance to poison manipulation, disease manipulation, and corrousion inducement. He is immune to the toxic atmosphere of the upside down, which is capable of making people incredibly sick and can rot organic matter
The Proxy
The Mind Flayer’s Proxy has 1 main issue and 1 thing that I would like to add.The issue is its LS. It should be Class 5, not Class 10. In the proxy’s fight with Pre-Nina Eleven, El’s telekinesis was easily holding back the Proxy and was restraining it. Pre-Nina El’s LS for her powers is Class 5. Thus, the Monster’s LS would scale slightly below hers and would be Class 5 as well. If we don't want to split El into 2 keys, then the monsters LS should be kept as Class 10
The 1 thing that I would like to add to the profile is something mentioning that the Proxy was able to fight toe-to-toe with Eleven for some time, although it was quickly overpowered and defeated when Eleven started using her full strength. Doesn’t change the tier at all, but I do feel like it is an important supporting feat to mention on the profile.
Vecna
Vecna's First Key
Henry has never been shown being able to go into the void like Eleven can. Just because Henry can also move things with his mind just like Eleven doesn't mean that he automatically has all of the same powers as her. This would mean that Henry's first key shouldn't have Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, Portal Creation or Deconstruction. He has never shown any of these abilities, and just because Eleven can do them doesn't automatically mean that Henry pre-Upside Down visit can too.
Vecna's Second Key
His 2nd key is better, but there is still some stuff that needs to be changed.
I wanted to cover the verses speed in one broad catagory. The verses's speed seems to be all over the place. Most of the characters have demonstraited Average Human to Athletic Human Speeds, with the top tiers such as Steve, Hopper, the Demogorgon, and Eleven all showing Superhuman reaction and combat speeds due to being able to fight against the Demogorgon, who can speed blitz regular humans. So I think the verse should have Average Human to Athletic Human speeds for most characters, with the characters who have fought the Demogorgon and/or Demodogs having Superhuman Reaction and Combat speed
If you disagree or agree with any of these, please correct me. Also sorry that most of the points I have made here I already made in the previous CRT. This verse has needed to be fixed for a while, and I hope we can do that with this CRT
Mike Wheeler
As I said in my previous thread, Mike shouldn't be Athlete Level. His fight with Lucus wouldn't make him Athlete Level due to the fact that Lucas didn't become 10-A until Season 4, and the 2 had their fight in Season 1, when they were both 12 and not 15. So Mike shouldn't scale to Season 4 Lucus, and should be 10-B. His other feat of knocking over Flayed Billy is likely an outlier, as no human on earth would realsitically be strong enough to injure Flayed Billy, even with a weapon. Unless that weapon was an explosive or something. I will get into Flayed Billy later, but for now, that feat is likely an outlier.
Mike didn't really get any new feats in Season 4 other than some potential intelligence feats, so just changing his tier should be good enough.
Dustin Henderson
I still think all of my previous points from the 1st CRT still stand. There are some things to change though.
First, being good at singing and having good Wisdom aren't hacks. Those 2 hacks shouldn't be there, and are more suited for the intelligence section. Preperation and High Pain Tolerance should be there though, as Dustin could still walk on his broken leg at a pretty normal speed without screaming his head off with every step, which is some insane levels of pain tolerence. Preperation should hopefully be self explanitory.
Dustin should also probably have his spear listed as a weapon for him, and have his AP listed as "10-B, 9-C with Weaponry". Everything else looks fine though
Max Mayfield
Max actually has some pretty impressive showings from both this season and the previous seasons that should be on the profile.
First, Max should have Supernatural Willpower, as she was able to escape from Vecna's curse with some assistance from her friends, and managed to avoid Vecna for some time while in his curse, even though he was showing her some of ther worst fears and experiences, and she managed to keep her will strong the entire time. She should also have Vehicular Mastery due to showing great skill with driving under pressure and being a good skater. She would also likely have Sleep Manipulation due to having access to sedatives which she used to knock out Billy.
Pretty much everything else said in the og CRT still applies to her, such as the nerf to her intelligence as well as removing some AP feats that don't work.
Nancy Wheeler
Pretty much everything I said about Nancy in the 1st CRT still applies. To sum up what changes were made to her, her AP should be nerfed to Human Level, but her durability shoud be kept at Athlete Level, and her firearms should be Street Level. She should also have her intelligence as Gifted, and she should be given Preperation as a hack. Season 4 pretty much just enforced these more.
Edit: Her firearms should stay at Wall Level and she should get Social Influencing for talking the head of the mental hospital into letting her see Victor Kreel
Steve Harrington
Last time, I said that there was pretty much nothing I wanted to change about Steve.
Other than that, there really isn't much else that can be added to Steve's profile.
Edit: He should also get "Skilled Hand-to-Hand Combatant" for outclassing a trained russian soldier in a hand-to-hand fight and vehicular mastery for showing great skill with vehicals. He should also have high pain tolerance for still being able to fight after brutal interogation at the hands of the Soviets
Eddie Munson
Eddie, the man I blame for ruining the Stranger Things Fandom.
Hopper & Grigori
Both of these characters scale to each other. There are 2 things I would change.
1. Hopper directly scales to Grigori in LS, so Hopper should have Class 1 LS
2. Hopper managed to kill a Demogorgon with a sword, meaning that Hopper should be somewhat scalable to the Demogorgon, who scales to this calc. Because Grigori is just as strong as Hopper, he should scale too
Note: Before we move on from the Hawkings Citizens and go into the Hawkings Lab experiements and Upside Down Characters, I think we should make profiles for Billy Hargrove and Murray. Both have feats in combat, and both are prevelant characters and fighters in the series. Another reason to give them profiles is because I do believe that we should seperate the Flayed from the Mind Flayer, and because Billy is the only Flayed person we see in a fight, I think we should just move the Flayed Key to his profile. I already made prototypes for their profiles in this sandbox
008
Literally none of Kali’s AP feats that are listed are AP, they are illusion creation, and it all should be removed and put into the hacks section. It also mentions in Kali’s standard equipment that she has a gun, so her tier should be “10-B, 9-C with her Gun”. I have nothing else for her other than that, and her profile looks good otherwise.
009
I don't think the comics are canon anymore, so her profile should probably be removed.
If we still want to keep her profile, then Nine’s fire would scale to 9-A, due to it turning a human to char and due to her fire destroying multiple houses. Even if her having 9-A fire doesn’t work, the durability required to survive being set on fire is 26,000 Joules. And because she can control fire, her fire’s AP should be the same, which would put her powers in Wall Level.
011
First thing's first, her tier. It should be Building Level+, not City Block Level+. I legitamitly do not understand where we got City Block Level+ from. The calc it links on her page is 1.38 tons of TnT. I don't understand why we have it as City Block Level+, nor why we haven't changed it yet. Eleven should also have Large Town Level+ Environmental Destruction due to being able to open portals, which can cause this level of environmental destruction.
As for El's physicallity, she caused Angelia to bleed by hitting her on the head with a rollerskate and survived being flung into a wall as a young child, so Human Level AP and Durability for her still works.
The Demogorgon
RoTt35 already made a great sandbox for the Demogorgon here, so we can just apply this sandbox to the Demogorgon and it should work. We would just need to add Large Town Level+ Environmental Destruction
The Mind Flayer
Main Body
The only issue I have with the Mind Flayer’s Main Body is the Lifting Strength Section. “Lifting Strength: Unknown (It is a vast hive-mind interconnected to every single living thing in the Upside Down, as well as the roots that crawl under its interior, and likely holds control over other aspects of the desolate planet as well, such as the spores floating throughout its surface)”. I’m sorry, but how is this Lifting Strength? I think this part should just be removed, and the Main Body’s LS should just be kept as unknown.
Also, AP should be changed from 8-B to 8-C
Edit: He should also have resistance to poison manipulation, disease manipulation, and corrousion inducement. He is immune to the toxic atmosphere of the upside down, which is capable of making people incredibly sick and can rot organic matter
The Proxy
The Mind Flayer’s Proxy has 1 main issue and 1 thing that I would like to add.
The 1 thing that I would like to add to the profile is something mentioning that the Proxy was able to fight toe-to-toe with Eleven for some time, although it was quickly overpowered and defeated when Eleven started using her full strength. Doesn’t change the tier at all, but I do feel like it is an important supporting feat to mention on the profile.
Vecna
Vecna's First Key
Henry has never been shown being able to go into the void like Eleven can. Just because Henry can also move things with his mind just like Eleven doesn't mean that he automatically has all of the same powers as her. This would mean that Henry's first key shouldn't have Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, Portal Creation or Deconstruction. He has never shown any of these abilities, and just because Eleven can do them doesn't automatically mean that Henry pre-Upside Down visit can too.
Vecna's Second Key
His 2nd key is better, but there is still some stuff that needs to be changed.
- He has never been shown using deconstruction. That should be removed.
- Multiple Selves should be replaced with Hive Mind, because he's apart of a hive mind
- Those infected by Vecna's curse don't just instantly die after a set number of days. They are sent into Vecna's mindscape where they have a chance to fight back/escape, so the description of Vecna's curse needs to be changed.
- Unlike his first key, his second key should have clairvoyance. He knows about his victems traumas and worst fears without any realistic way of obtaining that information. So, he should have clairvoyance due to automatically knowing his victem's worst fears and traumas
- He should have Dimentional Travel due to opening portals to the upside down, which is a seperate dimention
- (I promise this is the last one), He should have resistance to poison manipulation, disease manipulation, and corrousion inducement. Due to living in the upside down for so long, he has become immune to the toxic atmosphere of the upside down, which is capable of making people incredibly sick and can rot organic matter
I wanted to cover the verses speed in one broad catagory. The verses's speed seems to be all over the place. Most of the characters have demonstraited Average Human to Athletic Human Speeds, with the top tiers such as Steve, Hopper, the Demogorgon, and Eleven all showing Superhuman reaction and combat speeds due to being able to fight against the Demogorgon, who can speed blitz regular humans. So I think the verse should have Average Human to Athletic Human speeds for most characters, with the characters who have fought the Demogorgon and/or Demodogs having Superhuman Reaction and Combat speed
If you disagree or agree with any of these, please correct me. Also sorry that most of the points I have made here I already made in the previous CRT. This verse has needed to be fixed for a while, and I hope we can do that with this CRT
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