Stomp Matchup CRT.

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

According to Our Rules on Stomp Matchups, a Matchup that ends in a fight where one opponent can't beat the other because their Regen is too effective is not a stomp, however everytime I've seen a matchup like this come up everyone treats it like a stomp because how wouldn't it be if one character literally can't lose? My suggestion is to remove that as a Valid Win-Con since it makes the fight completely one-sided in a way that's insurmountable.

 

[Arcker123]

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[Noneless21]

Hmmmm?

so ya post this at VS thread?

anyway, i kinda agree? you can always incap or bfr

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hmmmm?

so ya post this at VS thread?

anyway, i kinda agree? you can always incap or bfr

****, I misplaced it....

Yeah, but I mean if you don't have Hax.

 

[Noneless21]

****, I misplaced it....

Yeah, but I mean if you don't have Hax.

look, for a match to be a stomp, it means that you don't have a SINGLE way to defeat your opponents, regen is one of the factor that contribute a stompish match but not a quarter of it

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

look, for a match to be a stomp, it means that you have not a SINGLE way to defeat your opponents, regen is one of the factor that contribute a stompish match but not a quarter of it

Yeah, if you don't have Hax that can deal with a certain level of Regen then that's a Stomp.

 

[Noneless21]

Yeah, if you don't have Hax that can deal with a certain level of Regen then that's a Stomp.

and that's very obvious, no way you pit some non-haxy character to a character that has at least mid regen in equal battle and expect an equal fight, you need to know what hax your characters choosing has

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

and that's very obvious, no way you pit some non-haxy character to a character that has at least mid regen in equal battle and expect an equal fight, you need to know what hax your characters choosing has

EXACTLY! Which This Thread is a good example of.

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

Why is this in Verses threads?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why is this in Verses threads?

Because I misplaced it.

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

I see.

Anyway if a character has no way to win because of the other’s regen then yeah that’s a stomp so I agree.

 

[Noneless21]

first of all, i don't participate in that thread so i dunno what's wrong with it but from what i see, Tanjiro's regen makes Raiden can't kill him is that correct?

second of all, try to ask other mods but i half agree with this since if your opponents don't have any real way to deal with your opponent's regen whilst not having anyway to either incap, seal, or bfr then it is a stomp from my pov

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

first of all, i don't participate in that thread so i dunno what's wrong with it but from what i see, Tanjiro's regen makes Raiden can't kill him is that correct?

second of all, try to ask other mods but i half agree with this since if your opponents don't have any real way to deal with your opponent's regen whilst not having anyway to either incap, seal, or bfr then it is a stomp from my pov

Yeah, that's correct.

I obviously mean that if you can't kill or Incap your Opponent because they have Regen to good for your AP and you don't have the Hax or AOE to deal with it either then it's a stomp.

 

[StekFence]

If u don’t have a way to kill or incap the other guy, then u can’t win. Ergo, stomp. It makes no difference if the other guy passively regens all the damage, or doesn’t take damage due to dura in the first place. At the end of the day. They will be as fine as they were as if u didn’t hit them. Ergo, stomp

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah, there isn't really any practical way to kill anyone with High-Mid unless you're like, thousands of times stronger or have the right P&A, and even someone with Mid is virtually unkillable if you don't have a sizable AP advantage. So unless the regen can be depleted or they have some notable weakness, stomp.

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah agreed

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'n regards to the OP. Where does it say that?

• Both characters are evenly matched and have regenerative and defensive abilities that prevent the other from killing them, but one character has moves that allow for them to gain the upper hand.

This is basically saying if you have a move like a had ability(s) that could give ypu the upper hand against an opponent they can't kill do to regeneration means it isn't a stomp which is true. If I had mind manipulation and effectively could use it, then I can beat someone with regeneration I cannot bypass.

What's the issue here?

Yeah, there isn't really any practical way to kill anyone with High-Mid unless you're like, thousands of times stronger or have the right P&A, and even someone with Mid is virtually unkillable if you don't have a sizable AP advantage. So unless the regen can be depleted or they have some notable weakness, stomp.

Yes. But it states that it isn't a stomp so long the opposing side has some method to give them the upper hand, aka an ability the person can't counter even with regeneration.

This seems like a misinterpretation of the stomp rule.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I'n regards to the OP. Where does it say that?

• Both characters are evenly matched and have regenerative and defensive abilities that prevent the other from killing them, but one character has moves that allow for them to gain the upper hand.

This is basically saying if you have a move like a had ability(s) that could give ypu the upper hand against an opponent they can't kill do to regeneration means it isn't a stomp which is true. If I had mind manipulation and effectively could use it, then I can beat someone with regeneration I cannot bypass.

What's the issue here?


Yes. But it states that it isn't a stomp so long the opposing side has some method to give them the upper hand, aka an ability the person can't counter even with regeneration.

This seems like a misinterpretation of the stomp rule.

Wait, if only one of the two characters has a way of bypassing Regeneration, then wouldn't that still be a scenario where one of the two sides has no way of winning?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Wait, if only one of the two characters has a way of bypassing Regeneration, then wouldn't that still be a scenario where one of the two sides has no way of winning?

What are you talking about? This scenario is if one person has regeneration that the other can't beat physically. Not if both have a regeneration neither can beat physically.

But going off your question, yes, that would a stomp/mismatch.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'n regards to the OP. Where does it say that?

• Both characters are evenly matched and have regenerative and defensive abilities that prevent the other from killing them, but one character has moves that allow for them to gain the upper hand.

This is basically saying if you have a move like a had ability(s) that could give ypu the upper hand against an opponent they can't kill do to regeneration means it isn't a stomp which is true. If I had mind manipulation and effectively could use it, then I can beat someone with regeneration I cannot bypass.

What's the issue here?


Yes. But it states that it isn't a stomp so long the opposing side has some method to give them the upper hand, aka an ability the person can't counter even with regeneration.

This seems like a misinterpretation of the stomp rule.

It literally says this.

Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of stats and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other cannot easily surmount.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

What are you talking about? This scenario is if one person has regeneration that the other can't beat physically. Not if both have a regeneration neither can beat physically.

But going off your question, yes, that would a stomp/mismatch.

Doesn't the sentence say that both characters are evenly matched and have regenerative abilities? It doesn't specify anything about only one character having Regeneration.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It literally says this.

Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of stats and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other cannot easily surmount.

But then it adds that if the other character has a move(s) that allow them to get an upper hand it isn't a stomp. Aka abilities.

This is just bad wording. The "abilities" part needs to be removed since it contradict the next part.

Doesn't the sentence say that both characters are evenly matched and have regenerative abilities? It doesn't specify anything about only one character having Regeneration.

The scenario I mentioned was based off the thread XSOULOFSINDERX posted. Look below...

EXACTLY! Which This Thread is a good example of.

My scenario is about one person having regeneration, not both. As this example is used for.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

The scenario I mentioned was based off the thread XSOULOFSINDERX posted.

My response is about the part you've quoted from the Stomp Thread page.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Hmm I guess I got confused. That rule is wrong I'll admit that but the example put forth doesn't fit the context which is why I got confused.

 

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What do you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, I moved this thread to our staff forum, since it concerns a wiki policy issue.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Stomps and decisive victories are two widely different things. I will say that the difference is that a decisive victory basically means there's little to no chance but not without the inferior fighter at least putting up a good fight. But a stomp is where it's basically impossible for the inferior fighter to win and/or the superior character literally overkills the less powerful or haxed character.

But if a regen is like so high that the other character cannot kill them permanently, I think it actually would be considered a stomp yeah.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I guess it should be clarified that "regeneration that the other cannot easily surmount" means possible to surmount, just not easily.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that killing the opponent isn't the only win-con. Knocking the opponent out, BFR and incap are all valid ways to get around regen.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

A lot of people seem to be forgetting that killing the opponent isn't the only win-con. Knocking the opponent out, BFR and incap are all valid ways to get around regen.

Yeah, but this was meant for Characters that are Physical Fighters without Hax.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I think adding a rule that stats that if the Regen is sole deciding factor which plays heavily against the opponents skill/ability set, then it is a stomp.

 

[Arkenis]

nah sounds like a mismatch. though this scenario shouldn't be excluded from tournaments.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

The question is why does this need to be a rule? If a character can't be beaten regardless of regeneration, then it is a stomp regardless. Its completely unnecessary to list this since you could knock a character with high regen out and have that as the victory condition. It's entirely case by case and doesn't need a specific rule put in place for it.

 

[Arcker123]

Its completely unnecessary to list this since you could knock a character with high regen out and have that as the victory condition.

You can’t knockout anyone with mid Regen and above. The KO you’re speaking of relies on damaging the brain and rendering them unconscious. Someone with mid and above can Regen that.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Again, verse dependant.

 

[Arcker123]

Again, verse dependant.

It’s not. It just relies on the ability to Regen brain damage, which any form of mid Regen could do. If a character can Regen brain damage, then it follows they cannot be K.O’d

 

[Sir_Ovens]

And yet we have verses that have people with High regen that get knocked out due to overexhaustion. On paper, it works, but in practice it needs to be proven.

 

[Arkenis]

And yet we have verses that have people with High regen that get knocked out due to overexhaustion. On paper, it works, but in practice it needs to be proven.

that's stamina

 

[Arkenis]

so we just go off their staimina

 

[Arcker123]

And yet we have verses that have people with High regen that get knocked out due to overexhaustion. On paper, it works, but in practice it needs to be proven.

It’s just an outlier or contradiction for the character then. Stamina=/=K.O ing someone through force. It should be the base assumption as assuming otherwise doesn’t make any sense.