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using a hax right, the dude was getting bullied by a normal stern ritterTbh Kyoraku did infinitely better against Lille than the 4 non-Ichibei members of Squad Zero.
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using a hax right, the dude was getting bullied by a normal stern ritterTbh Kyoraku did infinitely better against Lille than the 4 non-Ichibei members of Squad Zero.
He had plenty of time to whip it out pre inking, if we wanted to give Ichibe passive ability negation with his ink (idk if we do that or not here).Yhwach's Medallion was inked by Ichibe.
He presumably couldn't use it after that.
That still doesn't mean anything though.He had plenty of time to whip it out pre inking, if we wanted to give Ichibe passive ability negation with his ink (idk if we do that or not here).
It is relevant as it is about inclusion of members instead of recognition of a particular version of the oraganization.Tsotso said:
was part of the entire Gotei (at the time of the statement)
Not exactly relevant here? Just means that they're stronger than the entirety of the rest of the Gotei.
Anyone can say this to anything. Doesn't serve as an argumentSemantics, my good sir.
Nitpicky semantics. It's referring to the entire Gotei 13, is there any reason it would NOT be including Yamamoto?Entire is about inclusion of members into the equation, not recognition of different versions of the Gotei.
You mean like, when every other member of Yhwach's elite are there too. The only reason they didn't block his shot was because it's a hax shot.Tbh Kyoraku did infinitely better against Lille than the 4 non-Ichibei members of Squad Zero.
Read above.It is relevant as it is about inclusion of members instead of recognition of a particular version of the oraganization.
Anyone can say this to anything. Doesn't serve as an argument
Robert only had two instances of landing damage on Shunsui:using a hax right, the dude was getting bullied by a normal stern ritter
I know I’m using it to support the current accepted scaling.That still doesn't mean anything though.
We don't scale characters on the basis of "This character could have used this ability against them, but they didn't, so it wouldn't have worked if they tried it."
Doesn't prove Yama is included. At the time of the statement, Yama wasn't part of the whole Gotei, he was dead.Nitpicky semantics. It's referring to the entire Gotei 13, is there any reason it would NOT be including Yamamoto?
If we want to get into semantics and such, "entire" means this:
with no part left out; whole.
Literally just repeated yourself.Doesn't prove Yama is included. At the time of the statement, Yama wasn't part of the whole Gotai, he was dead.
Because you repeated yourself as well instead of providing a new argument. Same argument from you = same rebuttal from me.Literally just repeated yourself.
It is, as the timing of the statement goes against his inclusion.It's not on me to prove Yama is included, it's on you to prove he isn't.
Doesn't mean it refers to the earlier version of the Gotei in which Yama wasn't dead. He died, meaning he's no longer a part of the whole.It states the entire, every part.
The timing of the statement does.NOTHING implies only the current Gotei.
A statement referring to an organization by default refers to the current version unless it alludes to an older one, which isn't the case with Shunsui's statement.YOU need a reason to say he's not included in this other than "but it's only talking about the current gotei" without proof.
No, I gave a counter with an explanation.Because you repeated yourself as well instead of providing a new argument. Same argument from you = same rebuttal from me.
No it does not. Nothing about that would inherently mean he's not included.It is, as the timing of the statement goes against his inclusion.
"Earlier version of the gotei" "every part" yes, it does.Doesn't mean it refers to the earlier version of the Gotei in which Yama wasn't dead. He died, meaning he's no longer a part of the whole.
Not inherently.The timing of the statement does.
No it literally does not, what? It does not default refer to the current version till proven otherwise. That's not a rule nor is that an agreed-upon thing, that's just something you're saying because it works with your argument.A statement referring to an organization by default refers to the current version unless it alludes to an older one, which isn't the case with Shunsui's statement.
This gave me a good chuckle heheRight now I understand how the guy who triggered WW1 by assassinating Archduke Franz Ferdinand felt.
Yeah, I'm dropping it.@Axxtentacle The war has been called off, chill out.
Do the Quincy who stole the Bankai scale to the Bankai.Yeah, I'm dropping it.
What's going on rn btw? I don't know the general topic, I just saw that debate and came in.
Yhwach said that they should retreat and wait for them to arrive.Just wanna ask one question on the whole squad 0 is greater than the gotei 13, didn't Yhwach say they should leave before squad 0 shows up? Kinda indicating he felt they would be able to beat him and the sternritter?
I think it was because Yhwach was on some time limit or something like that and had to go back to Silbern.Just wanna ask one question on the whole squad 0 is greater than the gotei 13, didn't Yhwach say they should leave before squad 0 shows up? Kinda indicating he felt they would be able to beat him and the sternritter?
Hm. I mean, I don't think they necessarily have to? If they have a brief skirmish or something with the bankai I can see it. Unless there's something like a "you need to be at least this strong to handle using it" but if not i'm not really for the idea.Do the Quincy who stole the Bankai scale to the Bankai.
Yhwach indicates you need comparable power.Hm. I mean, I don't think they necessarily have to? If they have a brief skirmish or something with the bankai I can see it. Unless there's something like a "you need to be at least this strong to handle using it" but if not i'm not really for the idea.
Can you show me this or at least link me to the message where it shows that statement? I wanna see it.Yhwach indicates you need comparable power.
Here is Yhwach's statement. Of course Yhwach himself doesn't mention the level of power from the user needing to be equal or relative to the Bankai.Can you show me this or at least link me to the message where it shows that statement? I wanna see it.
Yeah you’re not wrong lol. Anyway I’m a little torn on the whole Quincy stealing bankai and scaling.Yhwach said that they should retreat and wait for them to arrive.
However Yhwach was also operating on a time-limit since he'd need to return to the shadow area.
Of course Yhwach also felt confident facing the entire Zero Guard with just himself, his Elite Sternritter and The Wind dude. So he couldn't have been thinking that the Zero Squad would just beat all of his forces.
The issue is, Yamamoto himself can control his own immense power.“Who else can control your immense power except me” most certainly implies a relativity of sorts as Yhwach specifically draws attention to how immense it is aka its power level.
That’s because the Zanpakuto seal the blade the medallions only steal it. Also that’s irrelevant to the quote, the “immense power” Yhwach was referring to being able to withstand is the Bankai.The issue is, Yamamoto himself can control his own immense power.
But we only rate him as Continent level+ with his Bankai. Without his Bankai, we only rate him as Country level.
So Yhwach without the Bankai should not be rated as Continent level+.
At best it's a foundation for scaling him to be equal to Yamamoto. But not to Yamamoto's Bankai.
Can you prove that the only requirement to control the immense power is to have an equal power to it?That’s because the Zanpakuto seal the blade the medallions only steal it. Also that’s irrelevant to the quote, the “immense power” Yhwach was referring to being able to withstand is the Bankai.
I will get back to you.Can you prove that the only requirement to control the immense power is to have an equal power to it?
Also I don't get your point about the Zanpakuto.
Yes. I agree Base Yhwach >> Shikai Yamamoto.But Yhwach doesn’t have a shikai or bankai like shinigami do so I’m a little confused on why you’re using Yamamoto for that. He easily one shot Yamamoto without his bankai so base Yhwach >> base and shikai Yamamoto
It says Yamamoto >> other captains iirc onlydoesnt 13 blades support ichibe > bankai yamamoto?