Hmm you just ignored allr eason above, and actually your reasoning is kinda complicated and it's hard to understand.. basically you are saying that's not 100% the same even if they share same abilities, stats, power, etc..
Subsonic or whatever is the speed of normal guns in downgrade case.
I mean, with ''random speed'' I mean calcs that we have to them, yeah, I worded it bad
Yeah, exactly
No, I didn't, I find more likely that you just want to put blame on me regardless of if it makes sense.
It's not, and that's too bad.
You're saying it as if that wasn't possible, as if having those things alike inherenditary implies it to mean otherwishe.
SP scales to The World in speed because they keep up with each other, not because they're the same type of Stand. Them being the same type of Stand just means they have power and precision while lacking range, then it just so happened that they were a bit more alike than it due to coincidences, them being "the same type of Stand" being the first of them.
how did you come to such a drastic conclusion with just one message? like we are talking if they are 100% the same and we said argument for them above.
I want be honest, i don't understand the point of this quote.
The main justificaiton of their powers and abilities is because they are the same type of stands, both in EoH and in canon. the "same type of stand" they are literally that, their stats are the same, they act similiar, and they have the same ability. that's why in non-canon jotaro can overwrite the reallity.
I mean, the stats are identical, the jojoveller apprently share the same stats, they have the same look, same ability, same way to act, same poses
Same as how you wrongly figured I ignored all reasons above when I didn't, that conclusion was just as drastic and in 1 one message. And yet you say the same, you have no reason to conclude that I missed any of the reasons above.
That you are wrong.
Do not derail with non-canon things, EoH is Mortal Kombat levels of dumb and makes characters say cool canon quotes regardless of if it makes any sense for the characters, story & logic. It's not the "main justificaiton" just 1 justificaiton, in order of logic it's even the least important 1, just supporting evidence. Common sense should have already told you that and I even pointed it out in the other comment.
Not news.
There's literally tons of statements about SP and TW being the same type of stand. If it weren't, Jotaro wouldn't have his TS ability. Sure there can be coincidences, but them scaling to each other isn't, I might wanna bring in EOH's plot and say SPOH isn't the same stand as TWOH, which states that they do.
Pretty much Efi states that P3 TW and SP aren't the same type of stand.
They're the exact same stand. Regardless of type, they're the exact same.
there is a difference here, and that's this
There is, TW and TWAU have same stats and they even share the same page on Jojoveller
On what?
Im not derailing tho, EoH respect the original canon, why should it be different? EoH pretty much has jojo references. Also no, i don't find why it shouldn't be the least important, It's the main point of why Star Platinum have the sme speed, strenght, ability, etc.. of the world, and also that's why Jotaro can match Dio, it would be more important because of canonicity, it is the most important factor if we scale The World and Star Platinum. I mean, THE WORLD wouldn't be as fast as The World, but a rat does have MFTL combat speed because of scaling to Jotaro Reactions? I mean, how we know that THE WORLD scaling to The World due to have same stats and basically being the same stands is a false argument? at this point even scaling shouldn't work if we use that logic
Josuke nearly got hit by it if it weren't for the block from the stand. That should prove MFTL.
That's because Jotaro can't physically move his body out of the way fast enough after he's been shot already. Jotaro needs his Stand to save him from an ordinary bullet. If he could just dodge bullets as if they're millions of times slower than him, then what's the point of his Stand catching a bullet?
The discussion is about Bug Eaten and Josuke in Part 4. Josuke8 has nothing to do with the discussion really. Not even Killer Queen should be MFTL. The only possible MFTL characters are the strongest Stands in Part 3 (Silver Chariot, Star Platinum and The World), Pillarmen and some Part 2 characters, possibly GE and Sticky Fingers, KC, GER and maaaybe some Stands in Part 6.
He was already hit in the leg. He was crippled.
I meant, a single bullet can't make him so slow on subsonic speed level, if his reactions are MFTL
Also it reacted to CD.
And I remember something like it being mistranslated to try to make scaling legit. Evidence needs to be shown with the name of the guide and all its kanjis there for anyone to make their own translations.
None of this matters. [1]It doesn't matter how many statements of that they are. [2]If they weren't somewhat alike they wouldn't just so happen to have the same ability. [3]That is obvious and unnecessary to say. [4]It doesn't matter.
I didn't, please do never claim again that I said something w/o linking it and quoting me exactly.
It's no progress to say the same over and over, I already said why that didn't matter and it's beyond me if you ignore it.
That much dialogue is completely unnecessary, you are able to see the things back and evaluate them again.
You keep claiming that that's the case for no reason when it was already explained that it wasn't and the why of it, it is derailing and unnecessary slow. The rat at least has feats and is from the same universe and context as the rest of the characters. Stand stats don't give concrete stats but distributions of features on stats over ill-defined and variable standards. "Even scaling shouldn't work if we use that logic" makes no sense at all.
I will not argue, I am without my computer. It was just a comment to see if anyone else remembered about it
We have translatior theard for a motivation, you can take the scan and ask for the translation
OK then,
You used an assumption for prove another assumption is wrong, the rest of the message builds on the previous words. also that dosen't debunk a "Possibly Massively Faster than Light"
actually it would be your job to reformulate, this a pseudo burden of proof, but it's about the explanation not the proof itself
Argument and nauseum + Argument for Ignorance + False Dichotomy and according with your reasoning you also did Hasty generalization fallacy
