Steel Ball Run Content Revision.

[Bernkastelll]

Hello!

Well, I saw something a bit weird, well, first of all, Diego is rated as MFTL due having The World, however, do we have proof that this The World is really comparable to the part 3 one?

Diego Brando from Another Universe

Diego Brando, commonly referred to as Dio, is the final antagonist of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part VII: Steel Ball Run. Funny Valentine encounters him in one of the many parallel worlds after the death of the original Diego Brando. After the President's death, this new Diego is tasked by...

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Anyways, about Hot Pants, Hot Pants is rated as Unknown speed, this is the justificative: ''Speed: Unknown (Moved faster than Johnny & Gyro could react. Dodged an attack from D4C, who is comparable to ACT4)''

this is her profile:

Hot Pants

Hot Pants is a side character featured in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part VII: Steel Ball Run. She is an agent sent on a mission to collect the holy corpse on behalf of the Vatican, and also seeks redemption for sacrificing the life of her brother for her own survival while she was young. She...

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However, there is a problem, the dudes that Hot Pants is comparable are rated as MFTL

This is their profiles

Johnny Joestar

Johnny Joestar is the seventh "JoJo" in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and one of the two main protagonists of Part VII: Steel Ball Run. A prodigy jockey in his youth, his life spirals downward when he is shot in the back and left a paraplegic. Years later in 1890, right before the cross-country Steel...

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Gyro Zeppeli

Zeppeli's signature laughNyo ho! Gyro Zeppeli, born Julius Caesar Zeppeli, is one of two main protagonists in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part VII: Steel Ball Run. An Italian doctor and executioner who masters the art of the Spin, he enters the Steel Ball Run race in order to obtain an amnesty for...

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Funny Valentine

Dojyaaa~~n!Valentine's catchphrase Funny Valentine is the 23rd President of the United States, an avowed patriot who seeks to make his country supreme above all others. To this end, he organizes the country-wide Steel Ball Run race, with a grand prize of $50,000,000, seeking to use it as a front...

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So, Hot Pants speed need to have her Unknown key changed to MFTL due being comparable to them, unless the MFTL ratings from all of them be removed due the fact that Diego The World is not comparable to part 3 The World

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I agree

 

[Trumpty_Dumpty]

Following, I always wanted to know as well on why they were MFTL.

 

[manu_zarri]

I agree with MFTL Hot Pants

 

[Trumpty_Dumpty]

Oh and if the reasoning for MFTL SBR Universe is reasonable then I agree with MFTL Hot Pants.

 

[KingTempest]

Diego's The World is literally the same exact stand as Pt 3's to the point where the author didn't even make new stats in the Jojoveiler because the previous stand already took care of it.

Nearly identical appearance, exact same powers, exact same stats, sounds exactly the same, behaves almost identically, it's the same exact stand.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Diego's The World is literally the same exact stand as Pt 3's to the point where the author didn't even make new stats in the Jojoveiler because the previous stand already took care of it.

Nearly identical appearance, exact same powers, exact same stats, sounds exactly the same, behaves almost identically, it's the same exact stand.

Nice, so, are u fine with MFTL hot pants? Mod agreement is important to a CRT work XD

 

[manu_zarri]

Diego's The World is literally the same exact stand as Pt 3's to the point where the author didn't even make new stats in the Jojoveiler because the previous stand already took care of it.

Nearly identical appearance, exact same powers, exact same stats, sounds exactly the same, behaves almost identically, it's the same exact stand.

didn't The World in jojoveller had stats? or it was generallly only the world?

 

[KingTempest]

Nice, so, are u fine with MFTL hot pants? Mod agreement is important to a CRT work XD

You'll need more than 1 mod for a verse as serious as Jojo, but I'm fine w/ MFTL hot pants

didn't The World in jojoveller had stats? or it was generallly only the world?

Only Stardust Crusaders Dio's

 

[manu_zarri]

Only Stardust Crusaders Dio's

Hm, understandable

 

[Bernkastelll]

Nearly identical appearance, exact same powers, exact same stats, sounds exactly the same, behaves almost identically, it's the same exact stand.

and it also kinda is from ''almost'' the same dude

 

[KingTempest]

and it also kinda is from ''almost'' the same dude

Literally the only difference is the species (DIO became a vampire) and the universe, and the fit

 

[Dereck03]

This seems pretty good

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

i wanna attach something to this but valentine in his love train key should have immortality type 6

 

[manu_zarri]

i wanna attach something to this but valentine in his love train key should have immortality type 6

hm why?

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

Valentines ability with d4c fits with this but the only problem is that he needs to be between 2 objects to do it but he dosent need to do that with love train and can jump to different universes free

 

[manu_zarri]

6: Parasitic: The character is able to attain a sort of immortality by abandoning bodies whenever necessary to transfer their consciousness to another body, whether they are possessing someone else or switching to a backup body.

Funny Valentine already have this

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

oh shit my bad
didnt see it

 

[Huzy]

Shouldn't Valentine have that in general? I don't remember the transfer thing being restricted to just Love Train.

 

[Damage3245]

IMO basing all of the MFTL ratings in Part 7 on the basis that Part 7's The World is just as fast as Part 3's The World, without any supporting feats, is a bad idea. Especially when it leads to ordinary human characters without fighting-based Stands to have MFTL speeds, it just seems too much.

Somebody mentioned that guns in Part 7 are not ordinary guns. Does anyone want to elaborate on that?

 

[Huzy]

Oh he does? Alright then.

 

[Bernkastelll]

IMO basing all of the MFTL ratings in Part 7 on the basis that Part 7's The World is just as fast as Part 3's The World, without any supporting feats, is a bad idea. Especially when it leads to ordinary human characters without fighting-based Stands to have MFTL speeds, it just seems too much.

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Diego's The World is literally the same exact stand as Pt 3's to the point where the author didn't even make new stats in the Jojoveiler because the previous stand already took care of it.

Nearly identical appearance, exact same powers, exact same stats, sounds exactly the same, behaves almost identically, it's the same exact stand.

 

[manu_zarri]

IMO basing all of the MFTL ratings in Part 7 on the basis that Part 7's The World is just as fast as Part 3's The World, without any supporting feats, is a bad idea. Especially when it leads to ordinary human characters without fighting-based Stands to have MFTL speeds, it just seems too much.

We already talked above that in JOJOVELLER they are the same stand and thing. also this "Ordinary humans" are MFTL with stands

Somebody mentioned that guns in Part 7 are not ordinary guns. Does anyone want to elaborate on that?

Because they aren't, did you ever see a gun that can damage 8-C characthers?

 

[Damage3245]

We already talked above that in JOJOVELLER they are the same stand and thing. also this "Ordinary humans" are MFTL with stands

I know. I'm just saying that's not convincing enough for me, when nobody in the entire Part has any supporting feats remotely close to that level.

Because they aren't, did you ever see a gun that can damage 8-C characthers?

They're only 8-C because we rate them 8-C. And just because they can survive a punch that's 8-C doesn't mean that an ordinary bullet would just bounce off of them.

And since when did 8-C AP imply massively faster than light speeds?

 

[manu_zarri]

Also since we are talking about speed, Love Train is accepted as High 3-A structure right? Both Ball Breaker and Tusk act 4 travelled into it

 

[Bernkastelll]

And since when did 8-C AP imply massively faster than light speeds?

his argument was about it not being a ordinary gun.

 

[manu_zarri]

I know. I'm just saying that's not convincing enough for me, when nobody in the entire Part has any supporting feats remotely close to that level.

I mean, it's not enough for you, but you need points tho. we can't accept your disagree without motivation so. that's not like other CRT

They're only 8-C because we rate them 8-C. And just because they can survive a punch that's 8-C doesn't mean that an ordinary bullet would just bounce off of them.

And since when did 8-C AP imply massively faster than light speeds?

You didn't get the point, my argument is about them not being "Ordinary guns"

 

[Bernkastelll]

I mean, Diego doesnt even have a page to Jojoveller because his stand is literally the same was Part 3 the world

 

[Damage3245]

If I ever have the energy to fully try and revise Jojo, I will in the future. I'm just voicing my displeasure at our current system.

People seem way too eager to just accept that characters such as Hot Pants are Massively Faster than Light without even caring about whether it is consistent or reasonable.

 

[manu_zarri]

If I ever have the energy to fully try and revise Jojo, I will in the future. I'm just voicing my displeasure at our current system.

We will welcome you with open arms

People seem way too eager to just accept that characters such as Hot Pants are Massively Faster than Light without even caring about whether it is consistent or reasonable.

We have rats that are MFTL in jojo, it's a bit logic that characthers like Hot Pants, who are actually fast and pretty strong in SBR can have MFTL aswell due to scaling

 

[Bernkastelll]

People seem way too eager to just accept that characters such as Hot Pants are Massively Faster than Light without even caring about whether it is consistent or reasonable.

Yeh? Hot Pants and Gyro, both are kinda of Jobros, what are the problem to them be MFTL? Gyro doesnt even had a stand during 99% of SBR, and I dont even know if Ball Break can be consider as a Stand

 

[Trumpty_Dumpty]

Yeh? Hot Pants and Gyro, both are kinda of Jobros, what are the problem to them be MFTL? Gyro doesnt even had a stand during 99% of SBR, and I dont even know if Ball Break can be consider as a Stand

Yeah iirc Ball Breaker was just a visualization of the infinite rotation.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Ball Breaker is a Stand just like any other, it's just the energy from the steel balls.

 

[GiornoGiovannaF]

If I ever have the energy to fully try and revise Jojo, I will in the future. I'm just voicing my displeasure at our current system.

People seem way too eager to just accept that characters such as Hot Pants are Massively Faster than Light without even caring about whether it is consistent or reasonable.

there is going to be a massive jojo speed revision, but the last i have heard they were on part 6

 

[Bernkastelll]

Bump

 

[Cloozuma]

Should agree.

 

[Eficiente]

I too disagree w/ MFTL for the "SBR universe", it makes no sense given everything they showed, everyone struggles w/ bullets.

People seem way too eager to just accept that characters such as Hot Pants are Massively Faster than Light without even caring about whether it is consistent or reasonable.

Was going to say the same.

THE WORLD being as fast as The World based on things unrelated to speed are dogmatic reasons, all of them can apply w/o having anything to do w/ speed because they don't have anything to do w/ speed. They made them have all that alike because they wanted to, poetically speaking, use the character again, but they didn't literally do so and it's a headcanon to claim that it's intended that they have more things alike than what's shown. There's nothing implied or inherit things that must be believed, THE WORLD not being as fast but having those other things be the same just means that, tuns out, that's what they were going for, a perfectly valid reuse of that name, look and superpower while not being 100% the same, it is we that we say that it's 100% the same.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I too disagree w/ MFTL for the "SBR universe", it makes no sense given everything they showed, everyone struggles w/ bullets.

Was going to say the same.

THE WORLD being as fast as The World based on things unrelated to speed are dogmatic reasons, all of them can apply w/o having anything to do w/ speed because they don't have anything to do w/ speed. They made them have all that alike because they wanted to, poetically speaking, use the character again, but they didn't literally do so and it's a headcanon to claim that it's intended that they have more things alike than what's shown. There's nothing implied or inherit things that must be believed, THE WORLD not being as fast but having those other things be the same just means that, tuns out, that's what they were going for, a perfectly valid reuse of that name, look and superpower while not being 100% the same, it is we that we say that it's 100% the same.

So, as I said, or the entire SBR gets downgraded to Unknown or some random speed or Hot Pants is upgraded to MFTL, I am fine with both cases, but people need to show more arguments to any side

 

[Damage3245]

So, as I said, or the entire SBR gets downgraded to Unknown or some random speed or Hot Pants is upgraded to MFTL, I am fine with both cases, but people need to show more arguments to any side

Wouldn't necessarily be a random speed. We could create some calcs for any actual speed feats the characters have.