Statistics Amplification and Reduction for Xenoverse and Heroes

[Adem_Warlock69]

Xeno Goku has Statistics Amplification without the use of Kaioken because he raises his AP and Durability by 77% and Raises his AP with his Kamehameha and in Ssj3, he Guards all attacks (which is basically him always having the Type advantage) and his Kamehameha raises his attack by 50%

Fu should have Statistics Amplification because he raises his ATK & DEF +120% when performing a Super Attack

Demigra (Makyouka) should have Statistics Reduction because he lowers all enemies' ATK & DEF -20%

Mira (Xenoverse) should have Statistics Amplification as she makes ATK +70% when performing a Super Attack and Super Mira should have Statistics Amplification and Reduction because, it Greatly raise Def and makes Atk +100% and disables enemy's guard; attacked enemy's ATK & DEF -20% for 2 turns

Bardock should have Statistics Amplification for This and This and both Statistics Amplification and Reduction for This

Towa should have Statistics Reduction because she greatly lowers DEF and Darkness Towa should have Statistics Reduction and Healing because she Lowers ATK and Heals 100% HP when HP is 30% or less (once only)

Chronoa (Heroes) should have Statistics Amplification because she Massively raises DEF for 1 tur

Cumber should have Statistics Amplification and limited Statistics Reduction because of This

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I agree.

 

[Lavcore]

bro.........that's dokkan.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

bro.........that's dokkan.

But isn't Dokkan Canon to Heroes? The Heroes Cards are From DB Heroes Banner or DB heroes Event, and The Player canonically fights base Xenoverse Trunks, soooo...

 

[Lavcore]

no and even if it was dokkan never mentions the stats or the fact it's a game in it's "story" mode.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Oops, I thought that was the Heroes Cards.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

no and even if it was dokkan never mentions the stats or the fact it's a game in it's "story" mode.

...Then why do we use that Cell statement from a game that isn't either Heroes or Xenoverse? And Their abilities are like The Pokemon abilities,which we use

 

[Lavcore]

what do you mean?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

what do you mean?

This statement

 

[Lavcore]

that's literally just supporting evidence for 2-B and not at all the sole reason they are 2-B.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

that's literally just supporting evidence for 2-B and not at all the sole reason they are 2-B.

Does Heroes have evidence for 2-B? That isn't from Xenoverse?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Also Ssjryu1 stated this

"All of heroes is non canon. And splitting it up into a half dozen mangas, anime and like 5 games is not going to remove the inconsistencies, it would just make unecisary keys, it will still be inconsistent even within all the medias themselves. Not to mention it would logically just be like Goku with the movies anyway and we would scale all the feats up the chain like we do for him regardless even if they dont all fit perfectly together. So nothing would change really"

 

[Lavcore]

xenoverse is canon to heroes and heroes is non-canon to the main series.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Well Dokkan has more heroes Characters then Xenoverse has heroes Characters, and Dokkan has Both the World Mission and Prison planet sagas, and in Dokkan the player canonically fights Xenoverse/Heroes Trunks

 

[Lavcore]

that just means heroes and xenoverse is canon to dokkan not the other way around.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

But Dokkan was created by some Dimensional Distortion that made a world that fused countless timelines together, and Trunks stated that the Player is a new Time Patroller

 

[Lavcore]

did you listen to what i just said?

 

[Dominodalek]

Yes, but that clearly isn't the Time Patrol since King Kai was the one running it. That storyline also lacks any characters from Xenoverse/Heroes whatsoever.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Yes, but that clearly isn't the Time Patrol since King Kai was the one running it. That storyline also lacks any characters from Xenoverse/Heroes whatsoever.

Well Trunks only knew who King Kai was after the Dimensional Distortion, so he wasn't running it,and The Story mode doesn't end, it also connects with the Events, as Goku black talk to the Player Time Patrol directly

 

[HST_Master]

....Dokkan isn't canon to anything tho. And IIRC we already had a thread based off Dokkan that got rejected.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Lmao are we seriously adding Dokkan battle shit now Ôÿá´©Å?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

....Dokkan isn't canon to anything tho. And IIRC we already had a thread based off Dokkan that got rejected.

Can you please give a link to the Thread?

 

[HST_Master]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3193430?useskin=oasis

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3193430?useskin=oasis

Well it wasn't really Rejected

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

There's scans that show Dokkan in the DBHM but those got erased from existence alongside Google+

 

[SSJRyu1]

Dokan has had multiple crossover events with heroes, so imo Dokkan is part of Heroes multiverse as well. I pulled a couple promotional pieces to show some examples. I am sure there are many more as this was found in less than 5 min.

https://aminoapps.com/c/dokkan-batt...crossover/Yjve_d0Dtbu12vn4Qa7ke2KYEWQMdz0PalJ

https://www.db-z.com/dokkan-battle-x-super-dragon-ball-heroes-collaboration/

https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/n...-x-dokkan-battle-annoncee-pour-novembre-2019/

 

[Lavcore]

crossover events do not prove anything that's like saying mario is canon to sonic and the other way around.

 

[SSJRyu1]

I disagree, that should only apply between 2 difrent franchises, in this case they are both non-canon Dragon Ball games that crossover, part of the same franchise. We crossover the movies, anime, manga etc. since characters and or plot points from them exist in non canon works, a crossover on the same franchise should be sufficient proof. I think it would be unecissarily restrictive to still try to seperate them when they are the same franchise and have a crossover event linking them both.

 

[Lavcore]

"Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him."

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

But Both Dokkan battle and Heroes are non Canon games from the same franshice, not different franshices, isn't this why we allow Toei Feats for Xenoverse and Heroes?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I'm 100% sure they have the same powers on their Heroes cards too

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

bump?

 

[Dragomer]

Sound fine to me.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Yes, this is correct, we allow for things like toie feats to scale to heroes and eachother, becouse they are the same franchise, do not effect the main "canon" and do legitamitly have similar events/characters that crossover for lack of a better term. That rule was only made for multiple diffrent franchises crossing over, and should logicaly not apply here from my understanding.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members listed in the Dragon Ball verse page to comment here.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some staff members listed in the Dragon Ball verse page to comment here.

 

[Ionliosite]

I fully agree with SSJRyu1 here, Dokkan should be considered canon to Heroes.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I'm 100% sure they have the same powers on their Heroes cards too

 

[Antvasima]

What are the summarised conclusions here?