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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

So I'm starting to read Supernatural Encounters that Joseph Bongiorno wrote and idk if its even possible, but will there be profiles to Nakhash, Father of Shadows, or the Supreme Maker (Father of Lights)? Since basically Legends Anakin/Vader profile here might or might end up not to be used, and references them both.

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ShivaShakti/VaderTime

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TegamiBachi25 said:
So I'm starting to read Supernatural Encounters that Joseph Bongiorno wrote and idk if its even possible, but will there be profiles to Nakhash, Father of Shadows, or the Supreme Maker (Father of Lights)? Since basically Legends Anakin/Vader profile here might or might end up not to be used, and references them both.

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ShivaShakti/VaderTime

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Supernatural Encounters and related character profiles would need their own verse page separate to Legends, as it is cancelled work not canonical to Legends (essentially now a solo work of Bongiorno):

Back during the Hyperspace days, it would have to be reviewed by the editors from publishing before being posted. They nixed it before reviewing based on concept and length.
-Pablo Hidalgo over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2022081...r.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1559652872144297984
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[When asked about the status of Supernatural Encounters:] The material never came to me for input into the Holocron nor did it get an official release. Tons of material got approved that didn't become part of the continuity of the EU. […] Unless it appears in an official source, it's not something I intend to track.
-Leeland Chee over Twitter, https://archive.ph/bKRoM
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[Supernatural Encounters] never went through publishing editorial, so while full of neat ideas, it’s not part of anything official.
-Pablo Hidalgo over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2022081...r.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1558570320293818369
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[When asked if Supernatural Encounters was official:] I mean, I guess not? It hasn't been reviewed by any editors that were associated with the EU as far as I know so I don't see why it would be official.
-Matt Martin over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2023083...r.com/missingwords/status/1696666706654175490
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I don't think [Supernatural Encounters] was reviewed by anyone on my team. It was discussed as something that could potentially be published on http://StarWars.com probably over a decade ago but that never went anywhere.
-Matt Martin over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2023083...r.com/missingwords/status/1696664602791096351
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[Supernatural Encounters] would have to have been blessed by the editors in publishing who declined and rejected the work.
-Pablo Hidalgo over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2023083...r.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1696678441540890945
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I commissioned [Supernatural Encounters] for Hyperspace, but it was not to be.
-Pablo Hidalgo over Twitter, https://web.archive.org/web/2023083...r.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1696715035157119320
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Doggo said:
9C for Han is too low even for Canon lol
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Again, there weren’t really any impressive AP feats for Hans and even then we talking about Original Trilogy back then.

Also he already has 9A equipment on his profile so that isn’t necessarily true.

That and I am also suspicious about that profile anyway as that is decades after the original trilogy for the sequel trilogy IIRC so yeah, I ain’t exactly comfortable on retroactively applying this to young Hans of all people as well
 
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HammerStrikes219 said:
Again, there weren’t really any impressive AP feats for Hans and even then we talking about Original Trilogy back then.

Also he already has 9A equipment on his profile so that isn’t necessarily true.

That and I am also suspicious about that profile anyway as that is decades after the original trilogy for the sequel trilogy IIRC so yeah, I ain’t exactly comfortable on retroactively applying this to young Hans of all people as well
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Finh is like your average stormtrooper, I don't see why young Han can't scale to him.

Although I feel like there should be more evidence for 9A physicals to support it
 
Doggo said:
Finh is like your average stormtrooper, I don't see why young Han can't scale to him.

Although I feel like there should be more evidence for 9A physicals to support it
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That doesn’t say much since that is scaling and not addressed the feat in question
 
I strongly disagree with those Supernatural Encounters keys for Anakin, I think the interpretation that he "mantled" the Father of Lights is erroneous.
 
TegamiBachi25 said:
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The Force

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So I found the Force page detailing all the Force abilities and the Force itself but idk. Is this going to be used or not?
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No scans or references…. Seriously?


I know it is a explanation in regards to the Force, but the fact there is no references or even scans for that matter is criminal especially since it consist of both Legends Force abilities and Disney Canon as well.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
No scans or references…. Seriously?


I know it is a explanation in regards to the Force, but the fact there is no references or even scans for that matter is criminal especially since it consist of both Legends Force abilities and Disney Canon as well.
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That’s because it’s incomplete and wasn’t intended to be used yet
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
I wouldn’t say “too many wrong things” when Legends has a great deal of haxes compared to Disney Canon.

Either way, just the fact there is no scans/references to back up those abilities make me not wanting to even take that page seriously
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That's what I mean, I think the haxes in the profile are missing or too few.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
I wouldn’t say “too many wrong things” when Legends has a great deal of haxes compared to Disney Canon.

Either way, just the fact there is no scans/references to back up those abilities make me not wanting to even take that page seriously
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I'm not working on it anymore, and there's a sandbox where people can add references if they want
 
Given the circumstances of non-concentrated force power, how powerful is Yarael without the use concentrating his force energy on the Infant of Shaa, because what happened shortly before that is the fact that he got mortally wounded by Ashaar Khorda, how powerful was Yarael using his non-concentrated force power, because Ashaar with his weapon, has to scale to him on that circumstance.
 
Finiznot said:
Given the circumstances of non-concentrated force power, how powerful is Yarael without the use concentrating his force energy on the Infant of Shaa, because what happened shortly before that is the fact that he got mortally wounded by Ashaar Khorda, how powerful was Yarael using his non-concentrated force power, because Ashaar with his weapon, has to scale to him on that circumstance.
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The planetary feat is bunk to begin with, Poof diffused a planetary bomb, he didn’t overpower a planetary explosion. More realistically he is sub-City level.
 
Epyriel said:
The planetary feat is bunk to begin with, Poof diffused a planetary bomb, he didn’t overpower a planetary explosion. More realistically he is sub-City level.
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That's weird because Galen was struggling horribly to bring down a damaged Star Destroyer, even though he should more powerful than Yarael, due to defeating Shaak Ti, and a Star Destroyer is by calculation a billion times weaker than the power of the Infant of Shaa.
 
Finiznot said:
That's weird because Galen was struggling horribly to bring down a damaged Star Destroyer, even though he should more powerful than Yarael, due to defeating Shaak Ti, and a Star Destroyer is by calculation a billion times weaker than the power of the Infant of Shaa.
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Yes exactly, Yareal doesn’t scale to the Infant of Shaa. He diffused it, he didn’t overpower its active explosion.

For comparison, just because a bomb squad can diffuse a nuclear warhead doesn’t mean they can suddenly throw punches with the power of a nuke.
 
Epyriel said:
Yes exactly, Yareal doesn’t scale to the Infant of Shaa. He diffused it, he didn’t overpower its active explosion.

For comparison, just because a bomb squad can diffuse a nuclear warhead doesn’t mean they can suddenly throw punches with the power of a nuke.
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That makes sense considering how Grievous had to avoid Clone Troopers from attacking him on 2003's The Clone Wars, and the dent he only made on his ship in Revenge of the Sith, while trying to punch Obi-Wan even though his ship is not 1% of a Star Destroyer.
 
Finiznot said:
That makes sense considering how Grievous had to avoid Clone Troopers from attacking him on 2003's The Clone Wars, and the dent he only made on his ship in Revenge of the Sith, while trying to punch Obi-Wan even though his ship is not 1% of a Star Destroyer.
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Eh, to be fair, Grievous also has durability statements putting him above regular lasers, it's mostly the heat that's the problem iirc.
 
Finiznot said:
That's weird because Galen was struggling horribly to bring down a damaged Star Destroyer, even though he should more powerful than Yarael, due to defeating Shaak Ti, and a Star Destroyer is by calculation a billion times weaker than the power of the Infant of Shaa.
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He damaged the star destroyer while he was pulling down the Star Destroyer from the Sky.





He definitely struggled pulling down the Star Destroyer, but that is because Tie Fighters were sent to prevent him from pulling it down and didn’t have too much a of problem pulling it down aside from that
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
He damaged the star destroyer while he was pulling down the Star Destroyer from the Sky.





He definitely struggled pulling down the Star Destroyer, but that is because Tie Fighters were sent to prevent him from pulling it down and didn’t have too much a of problem pulling it down aside from that
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How can Tie Fighters be a distracting threat to a planet level character?
 
Finiznot said:
How can Tie Fighters be a distracting threat to a planet level character?
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I gonna say this. Without the Force, they will naturally have less durability as the Force does technically amplified the user IIRC.

Regardless, they are there for gameplay purposes and more of a minor nuisance to deal with here given how he can destroy them rather easily.

Also, they likely return to Multi Continental level rather than planetary level at this point.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
He damaged the star destroyer while he was pulling down the Star Destroyer from the Sky.





He definitely struggled pulling down the Star Destroyer, but that is because Tie Fighters were sent to prevent him from pulling it down and didn’t have too much a of problem pulling it down aside from that
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It should be noted that the novelization reveals the Star Destroyer was already damaged and falling towards him, while no TIE fighters actually reach him.

Only when that was done did he glance up at the sky. What he saw froze the marrow in his bones. “Juno,” he called into the comlink. “Juno, answer me. You have to get the ship in the air.” Kota’s voice unexpectedly came in reply. “What’s going on, boy?” Can’t you see it, he wanted to say, then realized who he was talking to. He described the scene in as few words as he could, unable to tear his gaze away from the sight of the disintegrating shipyards. Huge, molten chunks were tearing free and tumbling either out into deep space or down into lower orbits while further explosions continued to tear the facility apart. The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime. Already it was visible as a distinct triangle glowing orange around its leading edges and conning tower. It was coming directly toward him. It was aiming for him.

“Juno can’t fly the ship at the moment,” said Kota firmly, “and neither can PROXY. We have to find another solution.” “What’s wrong with Juno?” “Concentrate on what’s important, boy. That Star Destroyer is coming down fast. You’ll never get clear in time. You need to pull it into the cannon.” The apprentice was temporarily lost for words when he realized what Kota was suggesting. Kota wanted him to move the Star Destroyer using nothing but the Force. “You’re insane,” he gasped. “It’s massive!” “What is mass?” Kota said. “It’s all in your mind, boy. You’re a Jedi! Size means nothing to you!”

-The Force Unleashed (Novelization)
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While a post on StarWars.com has confirmed the novel takes precedence in establishing the canonical events of TFU:

The official The Force Unleashed novel by author Sean Williams will cover the events of the game, as well as provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone. Although the game features multiple endings, this novel will be one of the only places where fans will be able to find the official "canon" ending -- the definitive conclusion that will mold the events of the Star Wars galaxy for the future.

-StarWars.com, https://web.archive.org/web/20070308101059/https://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/novel/news20070305.html
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The feat itself was calculated to be City level: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ByAsura/Starkiller_Pulls_Down_Star_Destroyer
 
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HammerStrikes219 said:
I gonna say this. Without the Force, they will naturally have less durability as the Force does technically amplified the user IIRC.

Regardless, they are there for gameplay purposes and more of a minor nuisance to deal with here given how he can destroy them rather easily.

Also, they likely return to Multi Continental level rather than planetary level at this point.
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If he can destroy them easily, and do a High 6-A or 5-B feat, from a several kilometer scale, then he should easily swat down the star destroyer and ties fighters like as if he swatting down a butterfly.
 
Epyriel said:
It should be noted that the novelization reveals the Star Destroyer was already damaged and falling towards him, while no TIE fighters are present in its account of events.
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It didn’t seem to suggest the Star Destroyer was damaged though. In fact, here we go.
“The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime.”

Suggested it was almost complete as they almost have finished building the Star Destroyer.

If it says it was damaged, then the text will outright stated that in the novel, but it didn’t.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
It didn’t seem to suggest the Star Destroyer was damaged though. In fact, here we go.
“The scaffolding around the nearly completed Star Destroyer had bent and torn completely away, leaving the ship free to power down into the atmosphere of Raxus Prime.”

Suggested it was almost complete as they almost have finished building the Star Destroyer.

If it says it was damaged, then the text will outright stated that in the novel, but it didn’t.
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The point I was getting at was that he didn’t bring it down on his own - it was already crashing and he accelerated it.

Much of the damage was caused from re-entry, and it was stated to be glowing orange even before he touched it, damage that would only increase as it progressed through the atmosphere (Starkiller just tilted it to hit at a sharper angle, accelerating its descent so it landed in front of him rather than on top of him):

Already it was visible as a distinct triangle glowing orange around its leading edges and conning tower.

…

As wide across as his outstretched hand now, it was hitting the atmosphere at a steeper angle than he had intended, burning bright red and already gouting a trail of black smoke and sparkling debris. He became aware of a sound communicated through his feet: a rumbling much deeper and more sustained than the pounding of the cannon, which had fallen silent after the firing of the third projectile. The Star Destroyer’s incomplete frame was acting like a giant tube, and the atmosphere was resonating inside. His whole body sang with it.

-The Force Unleashed (Novelization)
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Still impressive, but not a Multi-Continental level feat. In my opinion much of the main cast should be around Town-City level, as this matches other feats like Anakin throwing an atmospheric dreadnaught and Rivi-Anu holding up a Venator.
 
Epyriel said:
ated it.

Much of the damage was caused from re-entry, and it was stated to be glowing orange even before he touched it, damage that would only increased as it progressed thro
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Hm, while this is fair, I don’t think we can actually assess the damage. It could likely sustain from light to likely moderate damage to the exterior for all we know.

It is hard to ascertain the damage during the feat occuring.
 
Also outside of that, how do you feel about the Old Republic Era, Epyriel? I haven’t actually played the game, but I am aware of the insane feats it has accomplished in the Legend continuity
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Also outside of that, how do you feel about the Old Republic Era, Epyriel? I haven’t actually played the game, but I am aware of the insane feats it has accomplished in the Legend continuity
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I love the Old Republic stuff, and yeah it definitely has some great feats. Although all the big stuff is reserved to a small group of top tier characters.

Some examples:

Darth Vitiate drains Ziost: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Epyriel/Star_Wars_Legends_-_Darth_Vitiate_Drains_Ziost

Darth Nihilus lifts the Ravager out of Malachor’s gravity well: https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/star-wars-feat-darth-nihilius-tks-the-ravager.19653/

Darth Nihilus drains Katarr: https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/star-wars-feat-darth-nihilus-razes-katarr.19696/

Darth Vitiate drains Medriaas with the Nathemic Ritual: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Reppuzan/Glory_to_the_Sith_Emperor
 
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