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This thread will be focusing on fixing up the Star Fox ratings and discussing some feats, because what we have now is pretty barebones and basic.
Most of this will come from Adventures because we're missing a ton of stuff from that game.
Firstly, let's get right to the big one: AP
Arwings and Comparable Vehicles/Weapons
There are two statements from the beginning and ending of Adventures that support the idea of a system-wide threat.
General Pepper contacts Fox with urgent news and forces him on a mission to go hopefully stop Dinosaur Planet from exploding, which, if it did, would effect the entire Lylat System. Andross later follows this up by saying he will destroy the Lylat System.
Now, why does Andross' statement matter? How does it relate to Dinosaur Planet exploding?
Because he absorbed the Krazoa Spirits, who are responsible for bringing life to the planet to begin with, along with creating the SpellStones to channel the planet's energies to keep it's energies from constantly tearing the planet apart until it explodes.
The Stones contained Dark Matter which the Krazoa also could manipulate, needing to do so so the planet can be stable again..
Also, General Scales with a single Krazoa Spirit was said to harness the planet's dark forces to mutate Dragon Rock into a horrible wasteland, showing that yes the Krazoa can manipulate it.
I feel like the scaling is pretty evident here, and the statements back each other up and aren't contradicted afaik.
Base
As for base revisions, I think that the vaporization/pulverization of an Arwing should be calculated, as it's scalable due to two instances of an Arwing or something similar being completely destroyed with no particles left over.
The first is in this cutscene, where fodder Aparoids you can defeat on the ground and take attacks from literally look to pulv/vaporize Fox's Arwing.
The second is in the fact Fox's Sniper Rifle can instantly destroy ships of a similar size to the Arwing, leaving nothing left.
Here we see regular blasters in the comics blasting huge holes in a ship.
This would scale to striking strength due to Adventures and the Comics showing characters can harm each other with physical strikes.
A possible addition to Lifting Strength is the fact he can push large cubic stones several meters away with a single push. Even more impressive given the ground is stone too and would provide tons of resistance.
FTL Speed Feats
Right now the profiles have exactly no proof or justification for their speed rating. I intend to fix that.
Here we can see that Pepper wants them to return to Corneria immediately. Fox responds with a simple "Copy that, we're on our way" and then the Arwing is shown flying across multiple planets to reach Corneria in under 10 seconds.
I personally believe this timeframe and feat are backed by several other things.
We also see in the ending them flying towards a direction from Venom and reaching Corneria in a short time while seemingly cruising, as they don't look very focused or serious, so it's supported.
In Star Fox 2, you can fly all the way to Venom in real-time as this map has active missiles that slowly inch their way towards planets. This would be the same distance as the other feat and get a slightly lesser result but provide more support that they can do that. You can also fly to the star, Lylat shorter than eight minutes. I don't have a video showing this, unfortunately.
In Zero, there appears to be four planets between Corneria and Venom, making it the fifth or sixth (if we include Venom) planet. I doubt it took around an hour for this feat to have happened, so it'd still be an FTL feat regardless. But if we treat the map as the actual feat, then the timeframe is like, 4 seconds.
Mercury to Mars (because Corneria is classified as the fourth planet in a manual) in that timeframe would be 141.789757766c
Jupiter (5th distance) would be 600.765613657c
Saturn (6th distance) would be 1139.69678317c
These aren't actual accurate calculations, just ballparks to show the clear ratings they'd get. Actual calculations should be done for any of these feats I mention.
Fox from what I can see looks to clearly avert his eyes and reach up with his hand to block a light ray that reaches him after the fact.
The Arwings as depicted here seem to fly out of the galaxy in celebration. Likely billions c if I had to guess.
As seen here, Krystal was searching the galaxy for answers on what caused her parent's death, and got a distress call localized within the Lylat System, meaning she was outside of it.
Taken from the guide, but we don't have much else for backstory and I don't believe it's contradicted either so should be fine to use.
It takes light several years from the closest star to reach our system so even if she was in the closest solar system by happenstance it would've taken her years if she wasn't traveling faster than the speed of light to even respond to the call, which is very unlikely imo.
Assuming a year at most, which is still pretty unlikely as it was an urgent distress call she answered immediately and I doubt she aged, we get like 4.22c
Assuming a day as a somewhat reasonable low-end would net 1541.34408989c
The absolute highest end is that maybe she got there in an hour, which would net 36992.2581575c
The only way it gets below light-speed is if you assume she got the signal and then took more than 4 years and around 2 months to get there, but I feel the context makes that extremely unlikely.
We also have statements of them traveling at max speeds in space and going on to dodge obstacles that suddenly float into their paths.
Most of this will come from Adventures because we're missing a ton of stuff from that game.
Firstly, let's get right to the big one: AP
Arwings and Comparable Vehicles/Weapons
There are two statements from the beginning and ending of Adventures that support the idea of a system-wide threat.
General Pepper contacts Fox with urgent news and forces him on a mission to go hopefully stop Dinosaur Planet from exploding, which, if it did, would effect the entire Lylat System. Andross later follows this up by saying he will destroy the Lylat System.
Now, why does Andross' statement matter? How does it relate to Dinosaur Planet exploding?
Because he absorbed the Krazoa Spirits, who are responsible for bringing life to the planet to begin with, along with creating the SpellStones to channel the planet's energies to keep it's energies from constantly tearing the planet apart until it explodes.
The Stones contained Dark Matter which the Krazoa also could manipulate, needing to do so so the planet can be stable again..
Also, General Scales with a single Krazoa Spirit was said to harness the planet's dark forces to mutate Dragon Rock into a horrible wasteland, showing that yes the Krazoa can manipulate it.
I feel like the scaling is pretty evident here, and the statements back each other up and aren't contradicted afaik.
Base
As for base revisions, I think that the vaporization/pulverization of an Arwing should be calculated, as it's scalable due to two instances of an Arwing or something similar being completely destroyed with no particles left over.
The first is in this cutscene, where fodder Aparoids you can defeat on the ground and take attacks from literally look to pulv/vaporize Fox's Arwing.
The second is in the fact Fox's Sniper Rifle can instantly destroy ships of a similar size to the Arwing, leaving nothing left.
Here we see regular blasters in the comics blasting huge holes in a ship.
This would scale to striking strength due to Adventures and the Comics showing characters can harm each other with physical strikes.
A possible addition to Lifting Strength is the fact he can push large cubic stones several meters away with a single push. Even more impressive given the ground is stone too and would provide tons of resistance.
FTL Speed Feats
Right now the profiles have exactly no proof or justification for their speed rating. I intend to fix that.
Here we can see that Pepper wants them to return to Corneria immediately. Fox responds with a simple "Copy that, we're on our way" and then the Arwing is shown flying across multiple planets to reach Corneria in under 10 seconds.
I personally believe this timeframe and feat are backed by several other things.
We also see in the ending them flying towards a direction from Venom and reaching Corneria in a short time while seemingly cruising, as they don't look very focused or serious, so it's supported.
In Star Fox 2, you can fly all the way to Venom in real-time as this map has active missiles that slowly inch their way towards planets. This would be the same distance as the other feat and get a slightly lesser result but provide more support that they can do that. You can also fly to the star, Lylat shorter than eight minutes. I don't have a video showing this, unfortunately.
In Zero, there appears to be four planets between Corneria and Venom, making it the fifth or sixth (if we include Venom) planet. I doubt it took around an hour for this feat to have happened, so it'd still be an FTL feat regardless. But if we treat the map as the actual feat, then the timeframe is like, 4 seconds.
Mercury to Mars (because Corneria is classified as the fourth planet in a manual) in that timeframe would be 141.789757766c
Jupiter (5th distance) would be 600.765613657c
Saturn (6th distance) would be 1139.69678317c
These aren't actual accurate calculations, just ballparks to show the clear ratings they'd get. Actual calculations should be done for any of these feats I mention.
Fox from what I can see looks to clearly avert his eyes and reach up with his hand to block a light ray that reaches him after the fact.
The Arwings as depicted here seem to fly out of the galaxy in celebration. Likely billions c if I had to guess.
As seen here, Krystal was searching the galaxy for answers on what caused her parent's death, and got a distress call localized within the Lylat System, meaning she was outside of it.
Taken from the guide, but we don't have much else for backstory and I don't believe it's contradicted either so should be fine to use.
It takes light several years from the closest star to reach our system so even if she was in the closest solar system by happenstance it would've taken her years if she wasn't traveling faster than the speed of light to even respond to the call, which is very unlikely imo.
Assuming a year at most, which is still pretty unlikely as it was an urgent distress call she answered immediately and I doubt she aged, we get like 4.22c
Assuming a day as a somewhat reasonable low-end would net 1541.34408989c
The absolute highest end is that maybe she got there in an hour, which would net 36992.2581575c
The only way it gets below light-speed is if you assume she got the signal and then took more than 4 years and around 2 months to get there, but I feel the context makes that extremely unlikely.
We also have statements of them traveling at max speeds in space and going on to dodge obstacles that suddenly float into their paths.
Powers & Abilities/Arsenal Updates
Basically, we should add all of the Adventures gear as part of his optional equipment.
I compiled a list complete with links to their respective wiki pages:
- P.D.A
Information Analysis
- Krystal's Staff
Forcefield Generation that reflects projectiles (including bolts of straight up electricity being fired from bots) and doubles as Intangibility
Fire Manipulation
Ice Manipulation and maybe Durability Negation since freezing and then smashing seems to bypass defenses
Shockwave Generation and/or Vibration Manipulation via causing tremors
- Dumbledang Pods
Healing
- PukPuk Eggs
Healing
- First Aid Kit
More healing
- BafomDads
These would count as auto-resurrection
- Sharpclaw Disguise
Doesn't serve much purpose outside of it's intended purpose within only this game and in this series, but it does seem to be immune to poison gas that otherwise can affect Fox
Much like other characters with weapons, we should also add the abilities he gets from his weapons in Assault as well, which would look something like this...
Explosion Manipulation (Via Grenades and many types of Bombs and Mines), Homing Attack (Via Homing Launcher and Lock-On Blaster shots), Invisibility (Via Stealth Suit), Limited Flight (Via Booster Pack)
We're not done yet, though. He also has some missing base powers and abilities, such as resistances to the following:
Fear Manipulation - Braved a trial made by the Krazoa that would show him his greatest fears, and proved himself worthy via overcoming them
Acid - Can withstand being inside the Galdon's stomach acid
Poisons - Minor; can withstand toxic fumes for at least a minute before succumbing to the effects, of which it will slowly harm him until he escapes the area of effect, where he will show no more ill effects and immediately recoverhttps://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
https://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
Extreme Temperatures - In Adventures you traverse through the icy tundra multiple times as well as smoldering volcanic temples, and he can even walk on lava and brush it off provided he doesn't stand in it too longhttps://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
https://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00sBasically, we should add all of the Adventures gear as part of his optional equipment.
I compiled a list complete with links to their respective wiki pages:
- P.D.A
Information Analysis
- Krystal's Staff
Forcefield Generation that reflects projectiles (including bolts of straight up electricity being fired from bots) and doubles as Intangibility
Fire Manipulation
Ice Manipulation and maybe Durability Negation since freezing and then smashing seems to bypass defenses
Shockwave Generation and/or Vibration Manipulation via causing tremors
- Dumbledang Pods
Healing
- PukPuk Eggs
Healing
- First Aid Kit
More healing
- BafomDads
These would count as auto-resurrection
- Sharpclaw Disguise
Doesn't serve much purpose outside of it's intended purpose within only this game and in this series, but it does seem to be immune to poison gas that otherwise can affect Fox
Much like other characters with weapons, we should also add the abilities he gets from his weapons in Assault as well, which would look something like this...
Explosion Manipulation (Via Grenades and many types of Bombs and Mines), Homing Attack (Via Homing Launcher and Lock-On Blaster shots), Invisibility (Via Stealth Suit), Limited Flight (Via Booster Pack)
We're not done yet, though. He also has some missing base powers and abilities, such as resistances to the following:
Fear Manipulation - Braved a trial made by the Krazoa that would show him his greatest fears, and proved himself worthy via overcoming them
Acid - Can withstand being inside the Galdon's stomach acid
Poisons - Minor; can withstand toxic fumes for at least a minute before succumbing to the effects, of which it will slowly harm him until he escapes the area of effect, where he will show no more ill effects and immediately recoverhttps://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
https://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
Extreme Temperatures - In Adventures you traverse through the icy tundra multiple times as well as smoldering volcanic temples, and he can even walk on lava and brush it off provided he doesn't stand in it too longhttps://youtu.be/mafCrNI6P70?t=04h10m00s
Gravity - Adjusts to the gravities of multiple different planets in Assault and has undergone gravity training for days
Misc. Stuff
Would we have a separate tabber for Starlink? Or a separate page altogether? Cause I have a list of things from that game as well we could work on applying.
And I believe that is all. In terms of feats with no calculations yet I believe we should work on getting them calculated and then added so that way these profiles aren't so barebones. Practically everyone in the verse would scale to these as well.
God I hope these links work.
Misc. Stuff
Would we have a separate tabber for Starlink? Or a separate page altogether? Cause I have a list of things from that game as well we could work on applying.
And I believe that is all. In terms of feats with no calculations yet I believe we should work on getting them calculated and then added so that way these profiles aren't so barebones. Practically everyone in the verse would scale to these as well.
