Star Fox Rework

[DimeUhDozen]

The Star Fox profiles as they currently stand are kind of barren. So I'll be adding some things and scans that will help with their reworking.

General Revisions:

• Arwings should be added to Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Krystal's standard equipment, tiering, and profiles. They use it for the majority of their games.
• Krystal's staff should be added to optional equipment for both Fox and Krystal since Fox gave it back to Krystal near the end of Adventures and Krystal no longer seems to use it during the events of Assault and Command.
• Since the comics are non-canon, scans such as Slippy's sleeping gas should be no longer used.
• Likewise, Star Fox Zero feats should be treated as separate since the game serves as a reboot for the entire franchise.

AP And Dura:

• More justification feats for High 6-A. In Area 6, the Gorgon boss's laser is capable of piercing the crust of a planet in a single shot. Arwings can take hits from this.

Fox McCloud:

• Acrobatics (Fox has shown himself capable of performing backflips and combat rolls)
• Staff Mastery (Shown here)
• Healing (Can heal himself using Dumbledang Pods and PukPuk Eggs) (Reference: Star Fox: Adventures)
• Limited Resurrection (By using Bafomdads, he can automatically revive himself from death. Fox can carry up to ten of these at a time with the Bafomdads Bag)
• Illusion Creation (Can utilize holographic disguises made by Slippy)
• Automatic Translation (With a device that can automatically translate dinosaur language)
• Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Can shrug off being set on fire)
• Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Can get electrocuted heavily and remain unharmed)
• Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Can survive a dinosaur's stomach acids)
• Limited Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Can survive a room with toxic gasses for a while)
• Resistance to Fear Manipulation (Braved a trial that could subject one to their worst fears)

Slippy Toad:

• Information Analysis (Can analyze enemy shields and display their health with his "Bossometer")
• Illusion Creation (Made Fox a holographic disguise)
• Automatic Translation (Made Fox a device that can automatically translate dinosaur language)
• Plasma Manipulation (With the Bullfrog)
• Should have Genius level intelligence for the inventions above and for being able to build the Blue Marine on short notice with nothing but spare parts and scrap metal.

Krystal:

• Telepathy (Possesses the power of telepathy)
• Psychometry (Can sense weaknesses)
• Enhanced Senses and Clairvoyance (Can sense brainwaves from people who have already left the scene and from entire planets away)
• Should possess Interplanetary Range with Telepathy

Team Star Fox (Fox, Falco, Slippy and Krystal Post-Adventures)

• Homing Attack (With homing missiles)
• Enhanced Senses (Carries radar that can show themselves, their opponents, and surrounding vehicles)
• Explosion Manipulation (With grenades, sensor bombs, and homing missiles)
• Plasma Manipulation (With Plasma Cannon)
• Healing (With First Aid Kits)
• Invisibility (With Stealth Suit)
• Forcefield Creation (Scan here)
• All Star Fox members should have Gifted combat intelligence (They possess such a mastery over piloting that they are superior to the entire Cornerian Army, managing to take down Andross and his army, including entire fleets of ships almost singlehandedly. They are able to defeat Aparoids frequently. Just one Aparoid was able to take down an entire fleet by itself, and they were able to best their queen, ending the threat of the species. They frequently dogfight Star Wolf, who are considered to be their equals)

Arwings (Standard Equipment for Team Star Fox and Krystal Post-Adventures)

• Homing Attack (With charged shots)
• Explosion Manipulation (With charged shots and Smart Bombs)
• Magnetism Manipulation (While rolling, an Arwing can create a localized magnetic field)
• Electricity Manipulation and Attack Reflection (While Barrel Rolling, the Arwing generates an electromagnetic shield that makes attacks bounce off Arwings while rolling and are reflected back to sender)
• Forcefield Creation (The G-Diffuser produces a forcefield that protects the ship from enemy fire)
• Heat Manipulation (Smart Bombs can evaporate Solar Prominences, which are arches of incandescent gasses, breaking them apart. Said gasses are higher than 9,000 degrees)
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation and Black Hole Creation (Can withstand the pull of a black hole)
• Resistance to Radiation Manipulation and Magnetism Manipulation (Radiation and magnetism-based storms cause most ships in Sector Y to malfunction. Star Fox's Arwings are not affected by this)
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation (Comes equipped with an anti-gravity device)
• Resistance to Temperature Manipulation (Arwings can take up to 9,000 degrees, something that Slippy reaffirms. However, even if the temperature exceeds this, the ship's shields will protect it from this for a limited time)

Krystal's Staff (Optional Equipment for Fox and Krystal)

• Fire Manipulation (With the Fire Blaster; Seen here, here, and here)
• Forcefield Creation and Intangibility (Seen here and here)
• Ice Manipulation (With the Ice Blaster; Seen here and here)
• Vibration Manipulation and Status Effect Inducement (With the Ground Quake ability, which can stun enemies)
• Portal Creation (Can open portals)

Agree: Dalesean027, DaReaperMan, DarkDragonMedeus
(3)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Dalesean027]

Fully agree

 

[DaReaperMan]

Furry.

Agree with the revisions lol

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Side note, if anyone can find the "electromagnetic shield" scan for the barrel roll and the "anti-gravity" scan for the G-Diffuser system, I'd be very grateful.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, our Star Fox profiles are a mess at the moment, and there are also revisions for the tiers. I think we might need to give Arwings keys based on the numerous models that some are much stronger than others and what not too.

I also agree with adding the keys to the character profiles and all those ability additions look good.

 

[SamanPatou]

General Revisions:

• Arwings should be added to Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Krystal's standard equipment, tiering, and profiles. They use it for the majority of their games.
• Krystal's staff should be added to optional equipment for both Fox and Krystal since Fox gave it back to Krystal near the end of Adventures and Krystal no longer seems to use it during the events of Assault and Command.
• Since the comics are non-canon, scans such as Slippy's sleeping gas should be no longer used.
• Likewise, Star Fox Zero feats should be treated as separate since the game serves as a reboot for the entire franchise.

Agree with everything.

Also, should Fox have a key for his Adventure (or post?) self, with its own P&A tabber and everything?

Fox McCloud:

• Acrobatics (Fox has shown himself capable of performing backflips and combat rolls)
• Staff Mastery (Shown here)
• Healing (Can heal himself using Dumbledang Pods and PukPuk Eggs) (Reference: Star Fox: Adventures)
• Limited Resurrection (By using Bafomdads, he can automatically revive himself from death)

All of this is good, though is there a canon description of what the Bafomdads are? Because it could be one of those cases where "resurrection items" are meant to be last-minute healing, rather than straight up bringing the mc back from the grave.

• Illusion Creation (Can utilize holographic disguises made by Slippy)
• Automatic Translation (With a device that can automatically translate dinosaur language)

This is fine

• Resistance to Fire Manipulation (Can shrug off being set on fire)
• Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Can get electrocuted heavily and remain unharmed)
• Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Can survive a dinosaur's stomach acids)
• Limited Resistance to Poison Manipulation (Can survive a room with toxic gasses for a while)
• Resistance to Fear Manipulation (Braved a trial that could subject one to their worst fears)

I don't think these should qualify.
The fire just wears off on its own and still damages Fox, the electricity visibly hurts him and both the acid and the poison might not be just as lethal, and they also deal continous damage to Fox.
Having to face your worst fears isn't necessarily fear-inducing hax, but rather a trial of courage. I'm not really getting what's happening in that scene, I guess something gameplay-related representing Fox overcoming his fears and thus avoid being hurt by the illusions? In that case, you could call it resistance to illusions, but I need more context.

Slippy Toad:

• Information Analysis (Can analyze enemy shields and display their health)
• Illusion Creation (Made Fox a holographic disguise)
• Automatic Translation (Made Fox a device that can automatically translate dinosaur language)
• Plasma Manipulation (With the Bullfrog)
• Should have Genius level intelligence for the inventions above.

Krystal:

• Telepathy (Possesses the power of telepathy)
• Psychometry (Can sense weaknesses)
• Enhanced Senses and Clairvoyance (Can sense brainwaves from people who have already left the scene and from entire planets away)
• Should possess Interplanetary Range with Telepathy

Team Star Fox (Fox, Falco, Slippy and Krystal Post-Adventures)

• Homing Attack (With homing missiles)
• Enhanced Senses (Carries radar that can show themselves, their opponents, and surrounding vehicles)
• Explosion Manipulation (With grenades, sensor bombs, and homing missiles)
• Plasma Manipulation (With Plasma Cannon)
• Healing (With First Aid Kits)
• Invisibility (With Stealth Suit)
• Forcefield Creation (Scan here)
• All Star Fox members should have Gifted combat intelligence (They possess such a mastery over piloting that they are superior to the entire Cornerian Army, managing to take down Andross and his army, including entire fleets of ships almost singlehandedly. They are able to defeat Aparoids frequently. Just one Aparoid was able to take down an entire fleet by itself, and they were able to best their queen, ending the threat of the species. They frequently dogfight Star Wolf, who are considered to be their equals)

Arwings (Standard Equipment for Team Star Fox and Krystal Post-Adventures)

• Homing Attack (With charged shots)
• Explosion Manipulation (With charged shots and Smart Bombs)
• Magnetism Manipulation (While rolling, an Arwing can create a localized magnetic field)
• Attack Reflection (Via Barrel Rolling; Attacks bounce off Arwings while rolling)
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation and Black Hole Creation (Can withstand the pull of a black hole)

Krystal's Staff (Optional Equipment for Fox and Krystal)

• Fire Manipulation (With the Fire Blaster; Seen here, here, and here)
• Forcefield Creation and Intangibility (Seen here and here)
• Ice Manipulation (With the Ice Blaster; Seen here and here)
• Vibration Manipulation and Status Effect Inducement (With the Ground Quake ability, which can stun enemies)
• Portal Creation (Can open portals)

Everything works and is well-done, tho I have a few last things to say.

• Wouldn't it be better to cram Kystal's enhanced senses and clairvoyance under ESP?
• Should Andross's black hole be considered real? They say it was created by his experiments, and doesn't really look like a real one, rather just sharing its name.
• Is the portal the doing of Krystal's staff or of the device which it triggered?
• When adding this stuff to the profiles, try to put some reference wherever possible, it would be nice.

Anyway, the verse really needed some attention and care and you did a very good job.

 

[Luckyfun]

I agree

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I actually agree with Saman's points too.

 

[Luckyfun]

Bump

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Agree with everything.

Also, should Fox have a key for his Adventure (or post?) self, with its own P&A tabber and everything?


All of this is good, though is there a canon description of what the Bafomdads are? Because it could be one of those cases where "resurrection items" are meant to be last-minute healing, rather than straight up bringing the mc back from the grave.

Probably should, yes. One key for Lylat Wars, second for Adventures, third for Post-Adventures. Also, I found a scan where it says explicitly that it is a mystical creature that can restore life and says that "if you've collected a Bafomdad and die, it can be used to restore you to good health".

I don't think these should qualify.
The fire just wears off on its own and still damages Fox, the electricity visibly hurts him and both the acid and the poison might not be just as lethal, and they also deal continous damage to Fox.
Having to face your worst fears isn't necessarily fear-inducing hax, but rather a trial of courage. I'm not really getting what's happening in that scene, I guess something gameplay-related representing Fox overcoming his fears and thus avoid being hurt by the illusions? In that case, you could call it resistance to illusions, but I need more context.

Fair.

Everything works and is well-done, tho I have a few last things to say.

• Wouldn't it be better to cram Kystal's enhanced senses and clairvoyance under ESP?

Probably should, yeah.

• Should Andross's black hole be considered real? They say it was created by his experiments, and doesn't really look like a real one, rather just sharing its name.

I think we should hold off on saying it's real.

• Is the portal the doing of Krystal's staff or of the device which it triggered?

I think it might've just been the device under further inspection.

• When adding this stuff to the profiles, try to put some reference wherever possible, it would be nice.

Anyway, the verse really needed some attention and care and you did a very good job.

Ty ty. Will do.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Going through manuals. I should have some updates soon.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

AP And Dura:

• More justification feats for High 6-A. In Area 6, the Gorgon boss's laser is capable of piercing the crust of a planet in a single shot. Arwings can take hits from this.

Arwings (Standard Equipment for Team Star Fox and Krystal Post-Adventures)

• Non-Physical Interaction (Smart Bombs can evaporate Solar Prominences, which are arches of incandescent gasses, breaking them apart)
• Resistance to Technology Manipulation and Matter Manipulation (Sector Y carries ionizing space dust that causes most ships inside to malfunction. Star Fox's Arwings are not affected by this)
• Resistance to Temperature Manipulation (Arwings can take up to 9,000 degrees, something that Slippy reaffirms. However, even if the temperature exceeds this, the ship's shields will protect it from this for a limited time)

• Forcefield Creation (The G-Diffuser produces a forcefield that protects the ship from enemy fire)

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[SamanPatou]

Probably should, yes. One key for Lylat Wars, second for Adventures, third for Post-Adventures. Also, I found a scan where it says explicitly that it is a mystical creature that can restore life and says that "if you've collected a Bafomdad and die, it can be used to restore you to good health".

It's fine, then.

The following have been added.

All looks good, though I would argue that dispersing solar prominences with an explosion is still a matter of physics, rather than NPI. Maybe we could add Heat Manip to the Smart Bombs, since they are so hot they even evaporate these outbursts.

Lastly, I'd say resisting Sector Y's influence is tied to Radiation and Magnetism, rather than Technology and Matter Manip, since the space dust is described as radioactive and magnetic.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

All looks good, though I would argue that dispersing solar prominences with an explosion is still a matter of physics, rather than NPI. Maybe we could add Heat Manip to the Smart Bombs, since they are so hot they even evaporate these outbursts.

Lastly, I'd say resisting Sector Y's influence is tied to Radiation and Magnetism, rather than Technology and Matter Manip, since the space dust is described as radioactive and magnetic.

Added.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I actually agree with Saman's points too.

Same