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Goku was blocking those left and right when Hit was using those.
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SSB X20 Kaio-Ken Goku vs Current Hit
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But they also connected
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@J-Man
Goku has seen Hit use it from watching his fight with Jiren.
@PTSO
Wym connected?
Goku has seen Hit use it from watching his fight with Jiren.
@PTSO
Wym connected?
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And going by that logic hit watched ssbx20 Goku so he already knows about his fighting style and can time his skips, which is a lot easier than doing that to jiren, which he already did.
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Hit knowing about Goku's style hasn't benefitted him or even been hinted to combat-wise in any instance they fought. Goku knows plenty about Hit, and if Hit is going to willingly take damage to develop a counter (Goku has also watched this as well), he's not going to send him flying and stand still like Jiren waiting for the next blow to come to him.
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I mean that Hit also landed some hits. Saying that Hit won't at least hit Goku at all in this encounter is absurd.
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What?
Pretty sure it has dude. Not only are ya basically saying Hit won't be able to punch Goku but you're saying his prior info won't help him but it'll help Goku? Not gonna cut it. Hit knows just as much about Goku as Goku knows about him. What's stopping Hit from changing his length of skips to throw Goku off guard so he can't time them properly? Throwing in duplicates here and There? Landing a single good punch? Hits a hell of a martial artist, his prior info is good too, I mean Goku had to die.the last time he fought hit just to get on equal footing and both have gotten considerably stronger since then.
Pretty sure it has dude. Not only are ya basically saying Hit won't be able to punch Goku but you're saying his prior info won't help him but it'll help Goku? Not gonna cut it. Hit knows just as much about Goku as Goku knows about him. What's stopping Hit from changing his length of skips to throw Goku off guard so he can't time them properly? Throwing in duplicates here and There? Landing a single good punch? Hits a hell of a martial artist, his prior info is good too, I mean Goku had to die.the last time he fought hit just to get on equal footing and both have gotten considerably stronger since then.
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I'm gonna say it one more time: look up the video where Goku unleashes a full power SSJB Kamehameha on Fusion Zamasu, who is relative to Vegetto, so like, RIGHT beneath a GoD's level (aka, extremely high end 3-A.) Goku's gotten far stronger since then. Add x20 full power on top of that, with Goku's resistance. Hit would be vaporized.
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What? Youre joking right?
The zamasu that would get his face caved in by Beerus? Unless we go by the mamga, where nobody besides Zeno is above 3-A no, that's not an argument.
The zamasu that would get his face caved in by Beerus? Unless we go by the mamga, where nobody besides Zeno is above 3-A no, that's not an argument.
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Hit matched tSSB Goku just after Goku Black Saga. He even made him worry about his strength. After their fight with Dyspo, Goku showed genuine interest in fighting Hit again after seeing his improvement, he even acknowledged Hit's strength. Hit adapted to a X10 power difference in the past.
No ones stomping anyone here.
No ones stomping anyone here.
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1. I'm saying Goku isn't letting that get him. Can you prove Hit has taken past experiences of Goku's fighting style into account, the same way Goku has countered and evolved past Hit's techniques?
"What's to stop Hit from changing the lengths of his skips to throw Goku off guard" 1. OOC 2.Shortening his skips past a certain level results in his time skip being nullified for Goku.
2.Goku didn't "have to die" to get on equal footing, what kind of nonsense headcanon is that? Goku died because he didn't expect Hit's attack to reach him, and obvious plot.
"What's to stop Hit from changing the lengths of his skips to throw Goku off guard" 1. OOC 2.Shortening his skips past a certain level results in his time skip being nullified for Goku.
2.Goku didn't "have to die" to get on equal footing, what kind of nonsense headcanon is that? Goku died because he didn't expect Hit's attack to reach him, and obvious plot.
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But that's literally his main attack. He uses in every fight. So when Hit does land a blow, it's gonna be that one, more likely than not.
To say otherwise is like saying Wolverine won't use his claws, or Darth Vader not using the Force. It's his go to attack. He has used it on every enemy.
To say otherwise is like saying Wolverine won't use his claws, or Darth Vader not using the Force. It's his go to attack. He has used it on every enemy.
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And I think we're forgetting that this is current Hit. He knows what Goku is capable of, so it's not like he's gonna hold back.
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Hit always uses the info he has against his opponent's, Goku is no different.
>oot Wait, actually? That's out of character? But Goku not being extremely reckless, almost borderline dense as a rock and continuously leaving his guard open isn't? Goku performing half the things stated here is oot, hell in character he'd probably let hit land that on him just to be a good sport.
Goku did have to die, his lack of info caused hit to stomp him effortlessly, him dying gave him the info he needed, plot isn't an excuse, other wuse I can say Goku stalmating at the end is plot.
>oot Wait, actually? That's out of character? But Goku not being extremely reckless, almost borderline dense as a rock and continuously leaving his guard open isn't? Goku performing half the things stated here is oot, hell in character he'd probably let hit land that on him just to be a good sport.
Goku did have to die, his lack of info caused hit to stomp him effortlessly, him dying gave him the info he needed, plot isn't an excuse, other wuse I can say Goku stalmating at the end is plot.
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Nobody said he isn't using it, I said Goku isn't letting him land that.
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So you're saying Hit won't land any attacks?
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It's not a stomp anyway, I think it would be a high-difficulty fight, but I still think Goku comes out on top. The gods made no mention of Hit's power being "worth watching". Also, I never implied Zamasu was equal to *Beerus*, just in a level just below the GoDs, aka the highest end 3-A there could be, and then Goku messes him up.
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I've said what I've meant multiple times.
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But Hits hits are that attack. He doesn't rely on normal punches. He focuses on vital point attacks and invisible ki attacks. Those are his main attacks.
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Please tell me more about how Hit only uses that particular pressure strike.
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And Goku, is gonna know the difference how?
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He uses vital point attacks, invisible ki attacks, and time manipulation. He spams these every fight.
He has thrown normal punches, but those moments are so few and in between that it's not even worth noting.
And how is Goku gonna know the difference between a normal punch and a vital point attack. They look the same.
He has thrown normal punches, but those moments are so few and in between that it's not even worth noting.
And how is Goku gonna know the difference between a normal punch and a vital point attack. They look the same.
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Aeyu said:
That's a blatant inconsistency though, as the same Zamasu proceeds to fight Vegetto and matches him blow for blow.
And SSBKK20 and Hit have feats of going up against a character confirmed to be in the GoD tier of strength so showings favor the notion of them being higher on the 3-A scale than Vegetto and Zamasu rather than the other way around.
Edit: also this argument falls flat on its face as Hit killed and stalemated the same Goku who did that.
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Please watch Hit vs Jiren again and tell me Hit used pressure strikes more than normal punches.
Invisible ki attacks that Goku dodged and countered, and Jiren blocked. Hm.
He's gonna know the difference since he figured the difference out when they fought. He can sense a punch vs energy, even with his eyes closed.
@Aguila, Hit was at his best and stalemated Goku, who wasn't at full power, and could break through Hit's time skip with his ki alone.
Invisible ki attacks that Goku dodged and countered, and Jiren blocked. Hm.
He's gonna know the difference since he figured the difference out when they fought. He can sense a punch vs energy, even with his eyes closed.
@Aguila, Hit was at his best and stalemated Goku, who wasn't at full power, and could break through Hit's time skip with his ki alone.
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>Implying roided ayy lmao of many glares can't sense energy
If it worked there it'll work here.
Plus as said, ki clones, sporadic skipping of varying lengths, and so on help.
He needs to exploit Goku's info on him. Sure Goku has info on him, but hit van exploit that. He's never not exploited people's previous conceptions, he even dud against Goku in that he purposely increased his skip length just to throw him off, or exploiting Dyspo's movements and throwing in phasing to catch him off guard or exploiting jirens fighting style.
If it worked there it'll work here.
Plus as said, ki clones, sporadic skipping of varying lengths, and so on help.
He needs to exploit Goku's info on him. Sure Goku has info on him, but hit van exploit that. He's never not exploited people's previous conceptions, he even dud against Goku in that he purposely increased his skip length just to throw him off, or exploiting Dyspo's movements and throwing in phasing to catch him off guard or exploiting jirens fighting style.
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As for jiren, that's an odd one out, and could be chalked up to hit making him lower his guard since the first one he used was the one he needed to hit.
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Hit didn't used normal punches after Jiren proved too much for his time manipulation and Hit made a last ditch effort to win. All his other attempts were shot down because Jiren is stronger than Hit. We've been over this.
I'm saying is that one of those pressure point attacks is bound to Hit, either through Hit improving or memorizing Goku's movements and timing his attacks.
They have to be blocked though. Gonna be hard when Hit is on the the offensive and spamming Time-Skip to create phantoms.
True as that may be, they still have to be blocked efficiently. And with Hit using intangibility to get inside Goku's defenses, he bound to land a flash fist crush.
I'm saying is that one of those pressure point attacks is bound to Hit, either through Hit improving or memorizing Goku's movements and timing his attacks.
They have to be blocked though. Gonna be hard when Hit is on the the offensive and spamming Time-Skip to create phantoms.
True as that may be, they still have to be blocked efficiently. And with Hit using intangibility to get inside Goku's defenses, he bound to land a flash fist crush.
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@Aguila, Hit was at his best and stalemated Goku, who wasn't at full power, and could break through Hit's time skip with his ki alone.
No evidence of this being the case.
edit: He wasn't using KK, but he used all of the power as SSB.
>and could break through Hit's time skip with his ki alone.
You seem to imply this is something that Goku achieved without effort which is blatantly not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZv-OK5eB8
He expanded his ki like an explosion and was clearly exerting a lot of effort into it, after he shoots his kamehameha there is a blackout and we see both characters lying on the ground.
All indicates that Goku had to use all of his power to break through Hit's technique.
And all of that is beyond the point I'm making, Goku's showings against Zamasu are irrelevant on the topic at hand for far more reasons than just this.
No evidence of this being the case.
edit: He wasn't using KK, but he used all of the power as SSB.
>and could break through Hit's time skip with his ki alone.
You seem to imply this is something that Goku achieved without effort which is blatantly not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZv-OK5eB8
He expanded his ki like an explosion and was clearly exerting a lot of effort into it, after he shoots his kamehameha there is a blackout and we see both characters lying on the ground.
All indicates that Goku had to use all of his power to break through Hit's technique.
And all of that is beyond the point I'm making, Goku's showings against Zamasu are irrelevant on the topic at hand for far more reasons than just this.
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stomp, we already know that goku beats hit,
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What? Not true. That's never actually happened.
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voting goku due to UMR's reasoning
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how about universe 6 saga?
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He didn't beat hit there either.
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Hit won the match and wasn't even using killing technques.BattleReviews said:
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guess hit, for aguilaR's reasons
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"BattleReviews wrote:
guess hit, for aguilaR's reasons"
I suggest you read the whole thread first and form a better opinion because U6 showings aren't that relevant to the match :/
guess hit, for aguilaR's reasons"
I suggest you read the whole thread first and form a better opinion because U6 showings aren't that relevant to the match :/
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you said that hit won there at universe 6 saga
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And Goku can spam IT like he did against Copy Vegeta, use destructo disc, solar flare, etc. His "attempts" being shot down due to Jiren being stronger didn't stop him from using it twice. Hit hasn't spammed time skip to create phantoms, nor are half of these arguments even in character.
@Aguila
No evidence? Goku doesn't state he's going full power, or even use kaioken. That's enough evidence. How is charging up a giant sphere of ki and shooting a KHH that shattered Hit's pocket space something that requires much effort? Assuming Goku used all his power because there is a scene cut and they are both lying on the ground is nothing more than unconfirmed speculation.
Also Hit didn't win the match by skill, Goku forfeited due to kaioken complications.
Regardless this has been enough Rice vs Everyone for the night, so I'm going to bed.
@Aguila
No evidence? Goku doesn't state he's going full power, or even use kaioken. That's enough evidence. How is charging up a giant sphere of ki and shooting a KHH that shattered Hit's pocket space something that requires much effort? Assuming Goku used all his power because there is a scene cut and they are both lying on the ground is nothing more than unconfirmed speculation.
Also Hit didn't win the match by skill, Goku forfeited due to kaioken complications.
Regardless this has been enough Rice vs Everyone for the night, so I'm going to bed.
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