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yea is likely 3-A now 
and resistant the time-stop
and resistant the time-stop
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Even Beerus was like "WTF?!" in that moment
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My question is how resistant. Could he no sell for example, God Emperor of Mankind's time hax?
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Yea or Dialga's time hax? I have a couple theories already but i dont think Goku can resist high lvl time ManipulationThe real cal howard said:
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Probably going to see next ep (which is the conclusion of the fight, correct?). That way we'll get a much better understanding of how the power works and how it can be countered.The real cal howard said:
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Hit's ability is definitely a time stop. The visualization made that much clear. It's almost as if he creates a a void in time only he can move in once he skips ahead in time. Whatever kind of nonsense Goku did, he moved in time stop where time stopped for everyone except Hit. The legends were true
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A void in time? Huh??Mister Death said:It's almost as if he creates a a void in time only he can move in once he skips ahead in time.
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Finally. Goku shows that it wasn't just a one time thing and his rare usage of his Kaioken while Super Saiyan is now given an in-universe justification: the reason why Goku hasn't overpowered his opponents with his Kaioken frequently is that when he did it to Pikkon, he wasn't immune to its drawbacks, and didn't have the necessary ki control to maintain Kaioken well enough. He has finally shown he can use it in his Super Saiyan Blue form and is mastering it.
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It's not "resistant the time-stop", if we go by what the Speed Description about Infinite speed says, it's that.AllFiction said:yea is likely 3-A now
Many will argue that it doesn't make any sense, but that's what Infinite Speed says, and Goku did that.
However, we have to wait and see if Goku repeats that in the next episode when Hit does a time-stop of 1 sec (just saying).
Oh, and I believe that this thing that Wiss said about their bodies moving without their mind will have much to do.
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If Goku is capable of resisting time-stopping / time-skipping, and nullifying it's effects with his Ki alone...
Shouldn't he be Low 2-C?
InallseriousnessGokushouldn'tbeLow2-C
Shouldn't he be Low 2-C?
InallseriousnessGokushouldn'tbeLow2-C
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except now Goku can move through a time stopDekoshu said:
the legends were true
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It also was an "imperfect" technique... who knows what the "perfect" one will be like... Kaio-ken x 100? 1000? 9001? Not even time rewind would affect him.Mister Death said:
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Well is Goku gonna get raised to infinite speed or is the infinite speed definition gonna be changed because of this?
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I'm guessing a perfect one would be scaryAlexcar3000 said:
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It's not infinite speed, it's more like resistance to time manipulation (time stop).PATRICKLUKE1 said:
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Now people can't just say Goku never used Kaioken again while in a Super Saiyan form, now Goku is clearly shown using it, not just in a video game, and Vegeta and some proof (even if it's "filler" only) shown why he can't just brute force his opponents with Kaioken and use less of his other ki-based techniques in his weaker Super Saiyan forms: sufficient ki control. If he had perfected it while Super Saiyan Blue, then x20 and over would now be within Goku's realistic range. It goes to show you that no, Goku knows Beerus isn't some deity where Goku can neglect his other moves however he likes.
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Alexcar3000 said:
Did you see goku's speed during that episode? and look at the last two images
- Imnottheonepushinginfinitespeedimjustsaying
- bout time goku got some hax, and beerus/whis are still leagues ahead
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It's moving in a "time-stop" effect, which means infinite speed by the description.Alexcar3000 said:
@PATRICKLUKE1 Most likely the second one, or just "it doesn't make any sense because Dragon Ball".
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Are you guys seeing the OBD thread? Unlike here, it seems they are seeing infinite speed as a possibility
- as I said many times, I'm just a neutral for all possibilities, and this is clearly not wank at this point
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Well someone at least needs to edit Goku's page to take into account this new Kaio-Ken technique, though I'll leave the power/stat rankings to everyone else.
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Well That's why I asked an either or question. The definition of infinite in vs wiki isAlexcar3000 said:
"Infinite Speed (Able to move while time literally stands still, or to travel anywhere instantly. Teleportation does not count.)"
The definition needs to be changed or Goku gets a huge boost. Kaioken was never a resistance to hax. It's a stat multiplier that lasts for a heartbeat. Most people deny more ki= hax resistance so why make this case special?
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Link, pls.Mister Death said:
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OBD has Piccolo at Universal+
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Forget the link, pls.Matthew Schroeder said:
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they dont. checked lolMatthew Schroeder said:
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Isn't he the one stopping time though? At least that's how I remember it, could be wrong. But if I'm right that's not the same as what Goku did.KuuIchigo said:
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Infinite Speed via technique, perhaps.
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Because he can stop it.KuuIchigo said:
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Goku might die if he uses that technique again, so theres thatTheMightyRegulator said:
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Not really sure if Kaioken Blue qualifies for infinite speed.
Goku only said that the form he has reached is beyond his time leap, which could possibly mean that Kaioken grants special immunities towards time manipulating abilities.
However this feat is VERY close to giving Goku infinite speed if not making him so. Just need some more thoughts tbh.
Goku only said that the form he has reached is beyond his time leap, which could possibly mean that Kaioken grants special immunities towards time manipulating abilities.
However this feat is VERY close to giving Goku infinite speed if not making him so. Just need some more thoughts tbh.
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So Son goku get upgrade too T 2low C???
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I'll say this again: Toriyama doesn't follow our tiering system.
He just wanted to show us that power level > hax in DB, a great example of this would be Candy Vegetto.
Yes, Goku having infinite speed is something I would really like him to have... but I don't think this is the case. I think he has some kind of... Hax Negation, if Goku is more powerful than his opponents, then their abilities will be less effective against him.
This is, of course, all speculation, but for the moment we know he has Time Stop Resistence.
He just wanted to show us that power level > hax in DB, a great example of this would be Candy Vegetto.
Yes, Goku having infinite speed is something I would really like him to have... but I don't think this is the case. I think he has some kind of... Hax Negation, if Goku is more powerful than his opponents, then their abilities will be less effective against him.
This is, of course, all speculation, but for the moment we know he has Time Stop Resistence.
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Probably not, but hey were less than half way through Dragon Ball Super and even this 10x Kaio-Ken is incompleteKaptain2345 said:
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