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We decided he doesn't move instantaneously at all, as the time stop was only for a brief moment and the inconsistencies involved in fiction.
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We're basically viewing this as hax, so no.
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Perhaps this thread should be closed, Mighty?
The AP and Durability upgrades have been made. The present discussion seems to be revolving around the speed stat, which is not going to be listed as Instantaneous based on the fallacious logic of by-passing a simplistic temporal manipulation technique. The exact mechanics of withstanding the aforementioned technique are not explained, and likely will be in the next episode. All in all, there seems to be nothing else left to discuss, IMO.
The AP and Durability upgrades have been made. The present discussion seems to be revolving around the speed stat, which is not going to be listed as Instantaneous based on the fallacious logic of by-passing a simplistic temporal manipulation technique. The exact mechanics of withstanding the aforementioned technique are not explained, and likely will be in the next episode. All in all, there seems to be nothing else left to discuss, IMO.
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so is this going to be re-opened for hit or will there be a new one for hit next week?
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Gou has been updated to 3-A suddenly o.oLord Kavpeny said:
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Going by the logic in moving when time is stopped, that would mean any person who DID the time stopping also has infinite speed, which is all kinds of wrong.
We wouldnt say people like Guldo, Zeref, Paradox/Alien X from ben 10, Clockwork from Danny Phantom or Raven/Slade from Teen Titans (cartoon, NOT comics), have infinite speed now too right? Just because they can each move in frozen time?
Also there's something im confused about here. If Goku was to have infinite speed, why would the form of his ssb kaioken be ONLY a x10 multiplier? Wouldnt he need to charge up and have infinite amounts of Ki for the form to LET him have infinite speed?
We wouldnt say people like Guldo, Zeref, Paradox/Alien X from ben 10, Clockwork from Danny Phantom or Raven/Slade from Teen Titans (cartoon, NOT comics), have infinite speed now too right? Just because they can each move in frozen time?
Also there's something im confused about here. If Goku was to have infinite speed, why would the form of his ssb kaioken be ONLY a x10 multiplier? Wouldnt he need to charge up and have infinite amounts of Ki for the form to LET him have infinite speed?
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Damn Kav I tell ya it feels good to have goku finally be universal.
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If time hax resist with kaioken is a matter of power level, so, can we add it to Beerus, Whis, Vados and Champa?
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So either hax negation or infinite speed?
Either way, today is a good day. 3 A GOKU
Either way, today is a good day. 3 A GOKU
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Shouldn be Vegeta SSB Universal too?
But have trained together
And Vegeta only lose against Hit due to Hit's hax
But have trained together
And Vegeta only lose against Hit due to Hit's hax
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Hax negation via ki incrementUltimateInferno said:
Vegetto/Vegito already did it against Buuhan
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TakatoBlue said:
Yes, Beerus, Whis, Vados, and Champa should all get it as well as they're all stronger than Goku and Goku was able to move through Hit's time stop through sheer power.
This is no different than Vegito resisting Buu's candy hax. It's clear that in DB if your power is high enough then you can resist hax.
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to everyone below him he probably meansShutUp123 said:
Hit(or goku for that matter) would probably get stomped at this point in the series by a full power beerus/champa
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You can't give Goku time resistance and not give it to Whis, Vados, Champa, and Beerus. Goku didn't achieve it through anything other than being at a higher level of power. He pretty much states this with the line being "The level I'm at now is far ahead of your time leap", which essentially means anyone at that level or above (Whis, Vados, Champa, and Beerus) is far ahead of said time leap.
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Probably everyone has hax resistance
Via that logic of "more ki = more hax resistance"
Via that logic of "more ki = more hax resistance"
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lets say theres character A and B
Character B has the ability to inflict death on another with a mere thought, but Character A is immensely more stronger
In goku's case, he is immensely more powerful than character B, thus it won't work on him
Will this be a valid argument in upcoming db threads?
Character B has the ability to inflict death on another with a mere thought, but Character A is immensely more stronger
In goku's case, he is immensely more powerful than character B, thus it won't work on him
Will this be a valid argument in upcoming db threads?
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in the "Standard Battles Assumtiomps" pageBats16 said:
Says that the verse can be equalized, so yeah
Technically, that logic will apply to others verses if the user explain that in the thread
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@KaenDragneel123: Verse equalization doesn't work like that. There isn't a relation between power and resisting time stops. If a verse makes it so that a powerful character can simply ignore hax, like timestops, than it is simply that their hax are bad, or in other words the timestop hax used just has the arbitary weakness that it desn't work on powerful people. The standard hax (as in any that isn't the one that has that weakness) would still not have any relation between it working and rough power.
So optimistically gokus resistance isn't dependend on him simply getting more raw power and he gets timestop resistance.
Pessimistically gokus resistance is just through power and Hits timestops just got even less useful, since they won't work on sufficiently powerful beings.
So optimistically gokus resistance isn't dependend on him simply getting more raw power and he gets timestop resistance.
Pessimistically gokus resistance is just through power and Hits timestops just got even less useful, since they won't work on sufficiently powerful beings.
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That's just dumb to be honest. You might as well say Saitama one-shots any fictional character as that's pretty much the "rule" of his verse.KaenDragneel123 said:
You can't equalize verses as verses have different ways in which they operate when it comes to something like this. DB is a verse where you get hax resistance if you're far stronger than the individual using the hax. That's not remotely the case with DC or Marvel. You can't just put a DB character up against a DC or Marvel character with insane hax and say Goku wins because he has hax resistance in the DB verse when stronger than the individual using said hax. It's idiotic.
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Well TBF wouldn't you just say that Hax Resistance is Goku's "ability" instead of a "rule" in DBZ verse.
He would just become an anti hax character at that point if you are weaker then Goku in the energy department (Say Dark Schneider) then your hax wont work but if you are close to even or stronger (Say Seiya) your stuff will still work seems pretty easy to apply.
He would just become an anti hax character at that point if you are weaker then Goku in the energy department (Say Dark Schneider) then your hax wont work but if you are close to even or stronger (Say Seiya) your stuff will still work seems pretty easy to apply.
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This is not right.
If Goku shows you literally a feat by moving during a time freeze and it fits the discription, why then change the discription? Because it is dbz, dbs, Goku. Or because it just doesn't feel righ giving a person a infinity speed when a year ago he was a 4C?
People saying that in dbz world higher power > hax. They seems to forget Ginyu change body!
If Goku shows you literally a feat by moving during a time freeze and it fits the discription, why then change the discription? Because it is dbz, dbs, Goku. Or because it just doesn't feel righ giving a person a infinity speed when a year ago he was a 4C?
People saying that in dbz world higher power > hax. They seems to forget Ginyu change body!
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This thread has gotten off-topic however and the upgrades have been incorporated so...closing. Feel free to continue in the Dragonball Discussion thread.
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We didn't change the definition. Merely elaborated so as to avoid mistakes such as this.Pannaliciour said:
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General hax resistance can not come from this. At most time stop resistance, at worst the time stop just isn't good. Don't complain to me that Toriyama follows the shonen trope of hax just stopping to work at higher levels without explanation.SaberLily015 said:
If he would explain any reasonable mechanism (like for some other abilities that specifically have the combat function of negating anything supernatural, for example imagine breaker or endless nine) it would be different, but that that happens is unlikely, given that he doesn't seem to want to give his main characters any special abilities like this.
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^Hit's time stop seems pretty good to me, it stopped time completely and goku, w/ kaioken still moved through it
as you see here, its clearly power over hax, that is the best explanation in this scenario
as you see here, its clearly power over hax, that is the best explanation in this scenario
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He means it's not good hax if it doesn't work on stronger opponents, Death.
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