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With regards to Goku's tiering at this point, considering even Beerus was surprised by this ability, this would mean that Goku is approaching Beerus' power level, where he stands at 3-A atm. Keep in mind that energy required to be in 3-A is extremely wide, thus even if Goku is slightly weaker than Beerus, he would still be in 3-A.
Now with regards to Goku's speed, considering that he is able to move during stopped time (granted, the time stop duration is short), it is safe to say that Goku's speed should be set to "Infinite Speed via technique", as TMR has stated above.
Now with regards to Goku's speed, considering that he is able to move during stopped time (granted, the time stop duration is short), it is safe to say that Goku's speed should be set to "Infinite Speed via technique", as TMR has stated above.
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Actually on second thought Goku having infinite speed is not really right, seeing as he has to activate a technique to grant him this speed/resistance in the first place. If Goku was to will his own body to move within the frozen time rather than use Kaioken then the infinite speed upgrade would be justified.
Also Kuul the person who activates a timestop technically has infinite speed but because they have to activate the timestop it means that this speed is not automatic/instant. The guy moving in the frozen time just shows that his infinite speed is automatic/instant (as long as it's with speed alone)
Also Kuul the person who activates a timestop technically has infinite speed but because they have to activate the timestop it means that this speed is not automatic/instant. The guy moving in the frozen time just shows that his infinite speed is automatic/instant (as long as it's with speed alone)
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@Kaptain2345 No. He nullified time-stop. Not time destruction. @KuuIchigo the person who stops time is infinite in speed via hax, but they actually need to activate the ability. It's not permanent transcendence.
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That's a really good point. But I don't think the wording is specific enough to determine either side of the coin. I interpreted it as he was too fast considering whis said there was a way to counter time stop which he did by predicting but this time he just moved anyway.Austrian-Man-Meat said:
I like your thoughts. What do you think his speed will be once he mastered godly kaioken?
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Indeed, which do you think it's more impressive?
@Alexcar3000 You should request to change the description of Infinite Speed then.
"I'll say this again: Toiyama doesn't follow our tiering system." It really doesn't matter; Goku showed a feat that it's described in the tiering system.
@Alexcar3000 You should request to change the description of Infinite Speed then.
"I'll say this again: Toiyama doesn't follow our tiering system." It really doesn't matter; Goku showed a feat that it's described in the tiering system.
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Hence the via technique as would be the case of someone who can stop time via hax (most of the time. Some are entirely transcendent).Austrian-Man-Meat said:
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TheMightyRegulator said:
Perhaps Kaioken Blue Goku could be given infinite speed. Not sure about it though.
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Yes, via technique. He can't do it without Kaio-Ken.
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The funny part is, I actually wrote something about Goku obtaining infinite attack speed in his fight with Hit in some of the Discussion Threads... lol.
Am I Toriyama?
Am I Toriyama?
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Its either infinite speed or
if goku is >character b then their hax is futile?
both seem just as impressive if you ask me
if goku is >character b then their hax is futile?
both seem just as impressive if you ask me
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>infinite speed Goku
Guys. Stop. Please. That's not how it works. Having temporary movement in stopped or altered time isn't the same as having infinite speed.
Jotaro was able to overcome DIO's time stop and move without time for a few seconds.
This does not mean Jotaro has infinite speed.
If there is a technique that explicitly shows infinite speed, it will likely be fairly obvious.
Guys. Stop. Please. That's not how it works. Having temporary movement in stopped or altered time isn't the same as having infinite speed.
Jotaro was able to overcome DIO's time stop and move without time for a few seconds.
This does not mean Jotaro has infinite speed.
If there is a technique that explicitly shows infinite speed, it will likely be fairly obvious.
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Then again it's like giving Jotaro Kujo infinite speed on the basis of him moving in the frozen time with the use of a medium. However this medium was freezing time itself and that prob cancelled out the effects or something.
In Goku's case Kaioken Blue does not freeze time but allows him to traverse through enviroments whilst time stops, which should qualify for Infinite speed.
Quite perplexed about this, very interesting scenario.
In Goku's case Kaioken Blue does not freeze time but allows him to traverse through enviroments whilst time stops, which should qualify for Infinite speed.
Quite perplexed about this, very interesting scenario.
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If DIO has infinite speedAustrian-Man-Meat said:
how many times can he say "muda" while time is stopped for nine seconds?
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@Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot Then the Infinite Speed description is very ambiguous, and thus, it must be specified/changed.
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I agree with Wbaez93.
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"Indefinitely" should probably just be added after the "move". It's the reason Giorno has infinite speed with GER but DIO doesn't have infinite speed with The World.
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Waiting for The Flash VS Goku and Dark Schneider VS Goku rematch.
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Dropping a road roller onto you at infinite speed whilst muda-ing and wryying an infinite amount of times xD.Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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ok enough with this infinite speed being infinite thing
since keep in mind in db verse, with high ki you can overcome hax
but for the kaioken, has 3-A been agreed upon?
since keep in mind in db verse, with high ki you can overcome hax
but for the kaioken, has 3-A been agreed upon?
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Using his infinite speed, ROAD ROLLER DA generates an infinite number of times the infinite energy required to reach light speed, and can be dropped an infinite number of times during stopped time.Austrian-Man-Meat said:
High 2-A base DIO confirmed.
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"At least 3-B, 3-A with Kaioken" seems like logical and obvious.
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Thank you for classifying Azathoth.
Edit: All jokes aside I'd still like concrete proof but if it's unanimously agreed on I won't mind.
Edit: All jokes aside I'd still like concrete proof but if it's unanimously agreed on I won't mind.
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As I said in the discussion about infinite speed for time stop of another character before:
Moving in time stops should almost always be viewed as time stop resistance.
Another option that goes with the typical shonen trope of "every hax can be destroyed if I just use enough power" is that the time stop just generally is flawed in such a way that it can be overcome just by having a great enough power gap.
Either way, I think time stop resistance would be the way to go here.
Moving in time stops should almost always be viewed as time stop resistance.
Another option that goes with the typical shonen trope of "every hax can be destroyed if I just use enough power" is that the time stop just generally is flawed in such a way that it can be overcome just by having a great enough power gap.
Either way, I think time stop resistance would be the way to go here.
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3-A SSB kaioken Goku seems totally legit. I think we're just waiting for Kav to weigh in.The Living Tribunal1 said:
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This is exactly what I've been saying lol.The Living Tribunal1 said:
Ki enables you to create hax, if someone has more Ki than you, then said hax will become less effective against that person.
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also another option: goku said he had a counter technique to the time stopDontTalk said:
maybe thats it?
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@Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot What about the thing that Wiss said about their bodies moving without their mind? Could Goku have used that thanks to the KK?
Then again, we should wait until the Tournament Arc finishes.
Then again, we should wait until the Tournament Arc finishes.
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Hopefully everything will be cleared up in the next episode, which seems to be the way it's heading.The Living Tribunal1 said:
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So now its confirmed that goku can overcome hax if he is much stronger than his opponent
it's a victory today
it's a victory today
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That could be a totally legit combat trick thing, but I don't know if he did that. He seemed conscious of his actions and actually talked to Hit during his "time skip".Wbaez93 said:
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Yes, but Wiss could do that too (while talking).
IIRC, Wiss said that their bodies move on their own.
IIRC, Wiss said that their bodies move on their own.
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Yes, but Wiss could do that too (while talking).
IIRC, Wiss said that their bodies move on their own.
Goku explicitly stated though that he is strong enough to the point where time stop wouldnt work on him, no mentioning of bodies moving(or talking?lol) on its own
IIRC, Wiss said that their bodies move on their own.
Goku explicitly stated though that he is strong enough to the point where time stop wouldnt work on him, no mentioning of bodies moving(or talking?lol) on its own
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I'm talking about the training that Goku and Vegeta were having on Beerus' planet.
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Also, I just rewatched the episode, and even if there is no infinite speed, he's now fast enough to the point where he can't be seen moving, if you watch the episode you'll know what I mean
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Impressive? Pfft. That thing was done way back in the 21st Budokai (I always mess up the Budokais) lol.Mister Death said:
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but against hit?Alexcar3000 said:
kek
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