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Truest thing ive ever seen.WeeklyBattles said:
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Spears and Swords: SCP-1440 vs Altair
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1440 via spear saying no to all her abilities and bagging
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@Monarch
Well, not all of her abilities. 66th Movement doesn't look stopped, but apparently the Brothers can bring him back from having his very conceptual existence eaten.
Well, not all of her abilities. 66th Movement doesn't look stopped, but apparently the Brothers can bring him back from having his very conceptual existence eaten.
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I mean
Don't like, all of her hax powers come from some form of plot / causality hax?
Which the spear overrides?
Don't like, all of her hax powers come from some form of plot / causality hax?
Which the spear overrides?
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Yes to all of thisAssaltwaffle said:
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The Holopsicon itself is of a Conceptual Nature similar to Altair. Plus she treats everything as plot.
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@Monarch
Not the 66th Movement. It's conceptual, abstract-hitting, immortality-ignoring absorption. Plot and Causality hax can't effect Altair and the only reason 66th didn't kill her is because the one who used it against her was a personality-less clone of her. She forced that clone's personality to become her, thus being reborn. If she didn't do that while she was fading away Altair would have died.
Not the 66th Movement. It's conceptual, abstract-hitting, immortality-ignoring absorption. Plot and Causality hax can't effect Altair and the only reason 66th didn't kill her is because the one who used it against her was a personality-less clone of her. She forced that clone's personality to become her, thus being reborn. If she didn't do that while she was fading away Altair would have died.
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If existence overtaking just makes her into him, but herself instead, the brothers would probably be ok with that, they've still got a guy wandering around causing death by existing if she is now that guy.
But I think the overtaking is via plot hax, which is a nono.
Edit: I take that back then, she can probably win with that.
But I think the overtaking is via plot hax, which is a nono.
Edit: I take that back then, she can probably win with that.
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Either way doesnt she just get insta-bagged?
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Altair gets bagged by the old dude with a spear.
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He's got one use of the bag left.
I'm pretty sure he's not going to want to use it first thing.
I'm pretty sure he's not going to want to use it first thing.
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Whoa whoa whoa, am I hearing someone wining against the bagman?
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It's actually not plot hax. It's one of the few abilities that isn't plot-based. Plot-based attacks don't work on Altair because of her Acausality types, so the 66th Movement was the trump card to bypass it.
It's actually not plot hax. It's one of the few abilities that isn't plot-based. Plot-based attacks don't work on Altair because of her Acausality types, so the 66th Movement was the trump card to bypass it.
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No.ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
He still has 1-B spear and lolnope 1-B immortality.
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Nothing on his profile says he bypasses immortality. Also, Altair's immortality is conceptual and reliant in nature. If he kills her with the spear she is just going to come back because of people's perception of her.
Nothing on his profile says he bypasses immortality. Also, Altair's immortality is conceptual and reliant in nature. If he kills her with the spear she is just going to come back because of people's perception of her.
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@Assalt Nothing she has can get past the Brothers just bringing him back
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He bypassed The Scarlet King's immortality with his spear and he can seal her with the bagAssaltwaffle said:
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So the brothers can rip him out of her after his existence has been assimilated in a way that negates conceptual reliant immortality? Also, even if they can, Monarch seems to believe they would be OK with Altair basically becoming 1440, since she could fulfill his position.
So the brothers can rip him out of her after his existence has been assimilated in a way that negates conceptual reliant immortality? Also, even if they can, Monarch seems to believe they would be OK with Altair basically becoming 1440, since she could fulfill his position.
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@Assalt Yes they can and no they would not be okay with it as they have made dozens of special plans and precautions to torture him specifically
He bypassed The Scarlet King's immortality with his spear and he can seal her with the bag, she doesnt have anything that can do anything to him
He bypassed The Scarlet King's immortality with his spear and he can seal her with the bag, she doesnt have anything that can do anything to him
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At worst its Incon at best the Bagman gets another win,
also he does still have the bag.
also he does still have the bag.
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What is the Scarlet King reliant on? Also I'm not the best to argument the mindset of the Brothers, since I don't know much about them. Monarch is probably the one you'd want to debate with on whether or not they'd be OK with having someone else be their death-spreader.
What is the Scarlet King reliant on? Also I'm not the best to argument the mindset of the Brothers, since I don't know much about them. Monarch is probably the one you'd want to debate with on whether or not they'd be OK with having someone else be their death-spreader.
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He's reliant on people and things knowing he exists as well as the concept of blood and pain
The thing is they specifically made 1440 their deathspreader as a punishment for humiliating them, it wasnt just done on a whim, they have specific reasons for doing so.
The thing is they specifically made 1440 their deathspreader as a punishment for humiliating them, it wasnt just done on a whim, they have specific reasons for doing so.
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To be a bit more specific he beat them in a game of chess by cheating iirc.
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Pretty sure that's an old movie plot too.PsychoWarper said:
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I see his profile. It tells me almost nothing about the functionality of his abilities.
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So he killed a guy despite his reliance on people knowing he exists that can also regen with Mid-Godly? That's almost verbatim Altair. Also if that's the case if you ever redo 1440 with his updated powers you'd need to list Conceptual Manipulation, since he must have detached the Scarlet King as an object from his concepts.
Wouldn't it be a pretty decent punishment to have his existence absorbed by someone? It's not just erasure, it is a full becoming of the target.
I see his profile. It tells me almost nothing about the functionality of his abilities.
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So he killed a guy despite his reliance on people knowing he exists that can also regen with Mid-Godly? That's almost verbatim Altair. Also if that's the case if you ever redo 1440 with his updated powers you'd need to list Conceptual Manipulation, since he must have detached the Scarlet King as an object from his concepts.
Wouldn't it be a pretty decent punishment to have his existence absorbed by someone? It's not just erasure, it is a full becoming of the target.
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@Assalt I know I misread your comment, thats why I deleted the post.
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You see why i said 1440's profile is horribly outdated?
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Arnt alot of the god tier scp characters pretty outdated too?
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@Assalt I plan on it
No, they need him alive, if they wanted to punish him by killing him they would have erased him or just not let him come back to life. They want to psychologically torture him for as long as possible
No, they need him alive, if they wanted to punish him by killing him they would have erased him or just not let him come back to life. They want to psychologically torture him for as long as possible
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Well, I'll look forward to when he gets redone and will be ready to embrace the strongest Unknown.
I'll definitely be waiting on scans for this stuff, though, since the powers you've described are absolutely ridiculous. He's a monster among monsters.
I'll definitely be waiting on scans for this stuff, though, since the powers you've described are absolutely ridiculous. He's a monster among monsters.
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Isnt there an Unknown in the Cthuhlu Mythos?
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It'll get done eventually, with sourced stuff for once ovo
But for now it may be best to close this and remake it when the rework is done
But for now it may be best to close this and remake it when the rework is done
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