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I actually opened this for a topic I've been wanting to ask for a very long time. Can reiatsu crush get all the characters in the DB verse or not?
 
No, there are several characters without souls iirc

And then there's infinite Zamasu

Also a few more if you factor in non canon DB iirc
 
I'll wait for her to comment in a few mods because my friend doesn't believe me on this.
 
I actually opened this for a topic I've been wanting to ask for a very long time. Can reiatsu crush get all the characters in the DB verse or not?
Not all of them, cos some don’t have souls. Of the ones who do, they get soul crushed
 
Infinite zamasu doesn't have a soul. There's also android 19 and 16, 73. There's also the grand supreme kai who has soul hax resistance, but I doubt it's on the same level as bleach characters.
 
Infinite zamasu doesn't have a soul. There's also android 19 and 16, 73. There's also the grand supreme kai who has soul hax resistance, but I doubt it's on the same level as bleach characters.
shouldn't all db characters stronger than him scale off him like smt does with its protagonists?
 
shouldn't all db characters stronger than him scale off him like smt does with its protagonists?
Scale off of whom? Grand supreme kai? No, he is the only one who was shown resisting moro's magic. Even ultra instinct goku didn't show a resistance to it, although maybe he should have a resistance as moro was passively absorbing energy from everyone on earth during the final battle yet he wasn't affected. What's an smt?
 
Scale off of whom? Grand supreme kai? No, he is the only one who was shown resisting moro's magic. Even ultra instinct goku didn't show a resistance to it, although maybe he should have a resistance as moro was passively absorbing energy from everyone on earth during the final battle yet he wasn't affected
oh ok
What's an smt?
series that gives it's protagonists a wall of resistances because they beat enemies with hax without being affected

I was wondering why we don't apply that to DB or Bleach.
 
When the moro arc gets an anime they should state all the upper gods are immune to moros magic so I can wank them. Also when the super anime characters only resist soul destruction and not manipulation rip.
 
Is it that bad to assume a character that survived soul destruction can "tank" an attack that targets the soul?

Like isnt soul destruction technically the same thing?
 
Is it that bad to assume a character that survived soul destruction can "tank" an attack that targets the soul?

Like isnt soul destruction technically the same thing?
Soul destruction is only limited to well, soul destruction, but it cannot resist other types of soul manipulation, I think.
 
Soul destruction is only limited to well, soul destruction, but it cannot resist other types of soul manipulation, I think.
But dude its just does not make sense to me

Like x character can survive the literal destruction of his soul, but he cant survive a punch or a slash that target his soul???????
 
Is it that bad to assume a character that survived soul destruction can "tank" an attack that targets the soul?

Like isnt soul destruction technically the same thing?
If the attack is just damaging the soul and doesn't have other soul manipulation effects then I would say they resist that as well, since its analogous.
 
But dude its just does not make sense to me

Like x character can survive the literal destruction of his soul, but he cant survive a punch or a slash that target his soul???????
No that falls under soul destruction as well. What doesn't is say getting your soul absorbed.
 
No. He prob could. But he prob can’t survive his soul being ripped out.
Oh i forgot to specify what type of soul manipulation im talkng about

Im talking about like normal attacks that targets the soul

Like beams,punches and etc
 
You sure?in the last goku vs ichigo match,it was said that ichigo could one shot goku with an aoe attack that targets the soul
That's because Goku doesn't resist soul manipulation, and Ichigo's soul manipulation is far stronger than any resistance in dragon ball.
 
It is highly questionable that Reiatsu crush ignores physical durability.
Aizen (one of most knowledgeable people about Reiatsu) thought that Ichigo had zero Reiatsu, and that he is fighting him with pure physical strength.
Even though the premise was wrong, this was still a valid theory, implying that it is possible to resist Reiatsu crush through pure physical durability.

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Chad had so little Reiatsu that he can't see spirits, but using his superhuman physical strength he was able to beat up a Hollow who ate several Shinigami.
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Otherwise, an argument can be made for verse equalization between Ki and Reiatsu.
 
It is highly questionable that Reiatsu crush ignores physical durability.
Aizen (one of most knowledgeable people about Reiatsu) thought that Ichigo had zero Reiatsu, and that he is fighting him with pure physical strength.
Even though the premise was wrong, this was still a valid theory, implying that it is possible to resist Reiatsu crush through pure physical durability.

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Chad had so little Reiatsu that he can't see spirits, but using his superhuman physical strength he was able to beat up a Hollow who ate several Shinigami.
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Otherwise, an argument can be made for verse equalization between Ki and Reiatsu.
Ki cannot be equalized to reiatsu, but that is a valid theory.
 
It is highly questionable that Reiatsu crush ignores physical durability.
Aizen (one of most knowledgeable people about Reiatsu) thought that Ichigo had zero Reiatsu, and that he is fighting him with pure physical strength.
Even though the premise was wrong, this was still a valid theory, implying that it is possible to resist Reiatsu crush through pure physical durability.

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0418-002.png
0418-003.png


Chad had so little Reiatsu that he can't see spirits, but using his superhuman physical strength he was able to beat up a Hollow who ate several Shinigami.
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Otherwise, an argument can be made for verse equalization between Ki and Reiatsu.
The same Aizen that was on a power trip and was thinking up all kinds of ridiculous explanations for why Ichigo was kicking his ass

And that's not even the only interpretation for what Aizen said either, rather, you can interpret it as Reiatsu having nothing to do with resisting soul crush at all and instead, the strength of the soul, hence why he wasn't wondering why Ichigo wasn't just spontaneously dying without any Reiatsu, because Ichigo retained his strong soul.

No idea what your point with Chad is, that has nothing to do with Reiatsu nor Reiatsu crush.
 
Ki cannot be equalized to reiatsu, but that is a valid theory.
Sure, that is something that could happen.

The same Aizen that was on a power trip and was thinking up all kinds of ridiculous explanations for why Ichigo was kicking his ass

And that's not even the only interpretation for what Aizen said either, rather, you can interpret it as Reiatsu having nothing to do with resisting soul crush at all and instead, the strength of the soul, hence why he wasn't wondering why Ichigo wasn't just spontaneously dying without any Reiatsu, because Ichigo retained his strong soul.

No idea what your point with Chad is, that has nothing to do with Reiatsu nor Reiatsu crush.
We both know Aizen is not an ignoramus. What he settled on is based on what he thought was most likely among what is possible. And it happens that someone with no Reiatsu giving him a fight through pure physical ability is possible.

What if a character in a verse has lots of spiritual power, but the verse doesn't have feats like exerting Reiatsu to overwhelm people?

Just a supporting point that Reiatsu doesn't give immunity to spirits against normal physical attacks. Can be ignored if too tangential.
 
It is highly questionable that Reiatsu crush ignores physical durability.
Aizen (one of most knowledgeable people about Reiatsu) thought that Ichigo had zero Reiatsu, and that he is fighting him with pure physical strength.
Even though the premise was wrong, this was still a valid theory, implying that it is possible to resist Reiatsu crush through pure physical durability.

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0418-002.png
0418-003.png


Chad had so little Reiatsu that he can't see spirits, but using his superhuman physical strength he was able to beat up a Hollow who ate several Shinigami.
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0009-014.png
0009-015.png


Otherwise, an argument can be made for verse equalization between Ki and Reiatsu.
Your taking what aizen is saying out of context. All aizen is saying he put all his power spirit energy into physicals. Similar to how a bankai and resurrection can amp physical abilities as it converters their spirit energy into physical stats. It's not literally saying their converting their spirit energy into real physicals but spirit body physicals.

Right after aizen says his physicals are still superior which also implies he's talking about spirit body physicals. Another example id how aizen says KS takes over your physical senses. He's just referring to spirit physical senses.

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The chad thing is literally the hogyoku giving him power.
 
Your taking what aizen is saying out of context. All aizen is saying he put all his power spirit energy into physicals. Similar to how a bankai and resurrection can amp physical abilities as it converters their spirit energy into physical stats. It's not literally saying their converting their spirit energy into real physicals but spirit body physicals.

Right after aizen says his physicals are still superior which also implies he's talking about spirit body physicals. Another example id how aizen says KS takes over your physical senses. He's just referring to spirit physical senses.

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The chad thing is literally the hogyoku giving him power.
That doesn't make sense at all. If it were the normal physical amp you get from having a big spirit energy then your spirit pressure will still be sensed, everyone who can amp their physical stats can still have their spirit pressure sensed, but this doesn't apply to aizen's theory.
 
That doesn't make sense at all. If it were the normal physical amp you get from having a big spirit energy then your spirit pressure will still be sensed, everyone who can amp their physical stats can still have their spirit pressure sensed, but this doesn't apply to aizen's theory.
Cause ichigo is a extreme case. Just how other plp can convert their some spirit energy into physical stats with bankai or other means. Ichigo put it all into physical stats and not just a small amount. Aizen also said that his physicals are still stronger which again means spirit energy physicals. It's not possible for a being with 0 spirit energy to see or harm one with spirit energy. It's also not possible convert your soul into physical matter.
 
Cause ichigo is a extreme case. Just how other plp can convert their some spirit energy into physical stats with bankai or other means. Ichigo put it all into physical stats and not just a small amount. Aizen also said that his physicals are still stronger which again means spirit energy physicals. It's not possible for a being with 0 spirit energy to see or harm one with spirit energy. It's also not possible convert your soul into physical matter.
So what you're saying is people who take their spirit energy to amp their physicals use up spirit energy, but that doesn't make sense either as people who amp their physical stats with spirit energy get HIGHER spirit pressure (example tensa zangetsu makes ichigo 5 times physically stronger but his spirit pressure doesn't decrease, it increases 5 fold). That's inconsistent with what you say, how could ichigo use up all of his spirit energy into physical stats but be unsensable due to his spirit pressure diminishing? Of course aizen's theory was wrong because ichigo's spirit pressure DID increase, but that is beside the point because aizens theory implies that even if he had no spirit pressure which would mean no spirit energy, then he'd still be able to resist ambient spirit pressure.
 
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