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In Dragon Ball, ki/Spirit is the Very power of the Soul/life force/life span as well as all of them. Similar to Chakra's case, however a CRT will be needed for that
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Soul crush>db
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Ichigo didn't put all of his energy into physical stats, he just jumped a 'dimension' above Aizen and wasn't able to be sensed by him
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Bleach characters have resistance to Soul Manipulation in a general sense. While it is true that higher spiritual pressure usually means higher spiritual pressure offense and defense, it's not inherent to their resistance level. Case in point being Tatsuki who's vaguely into athletic human level and having an extremely low reiatsu barely above that of average humans resisting Yammy's Soul Manip when Yammy is an Island level being with reiatsu that scales to that with both many layers of soul manip and a good number. So Tatsuki just has resistence to that level of soul hax, and she's one of the weaker characters 'soul' wise.
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Tatsuki didn't resist yami's soul manipulation, well she did better than humans with 0 spirit pressure who put up no resistance, but she was barely able to stay alive, ulquiorra even comments on this. Sop she had enough spirit pressure to barely survive getting crushed instantly but was going to die anyway.
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Chakra isn't actually fully accepted as the soul even though it literally is used interchangably with it in verse
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That means she resisted it. If say, Goku or someone with no soul resistance were hit with that, they would get affected the same way that the normal humans with no spirit energy did. The fact that Tatsuki didn't instantly get negged means she has soul manip resistance by definition
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The problem is, Chakra is only the very concept of spiritual and physical energy mixed, meanwhile, Ki is the mix of Mental energy, spiritual and physical.
Yes, both are very similar, nearly equal, but not the same anyways.
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Well if she has spirit pressure that means she has power, so she has more power than a normal human so she is strong enough to resist the ambeint release of spirit pressure, so another strong character with chakra or something should also be able to resist it.
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Or with Ki, as Ki was retconned in the Moro arc to be the power of your soul.
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Ki has always been spiritual energy power.
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She is like, athletic human, she knows martial arts and that's it, her soul defenses just are that good, well, it is a good thing to show to people that argues that RC = AP by default, unless they think that Tatsuki is 6-C
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She gets her resistance from spirit pressure, she has just enough to not turn into ash but she clearly doesn't scale to yammy who's 6-C, ulquiorra confirmed this.
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Yeah, everyone knows that she doesnt scales to 6-C, thats just a proof that RC is not AP based
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Nah spirit pressure = power, she has enough spirit pressure to not die from getting crushed, but she doesn't scale to yammy's spirit pressure either. This doesn't prove that you need resistance.
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She could still keep consciousness in his presence while everyone else was fall down, so, yeah, she has resistance, it does proves, and it just further proves that RC doesnt always means that it is 100% related with power, as she is a girl who knows martial arts, yet she could keep consciousness in the presence of someone who made everyone unconsciouss
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Yeah she could stay concious because she has spirit pressure, just enough to not die, everyone else around her had absolutely no spirit pressure at all. Spirit pressure = power so it doesn't prove it.
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Yea, that means even though she's weak, Bleach characters soul hax resistance isn't inherently tied to their reiatsu level. While it's true higher reiatsu usually means higher soul hax resistance, Bleach low tiers resist soul hax that would instantly neg people with no Soul Hax
If Yammy did that to the high and god tiers of DBS with no Soul Resistance, they'd get negged like the normal 10-B humans did, not because of AP, but because of lack of soul resistance, while a 10-A Tatsuki would survive albeit barely due to her actually having Soul Hax Resistence
That's how hax and hax resistances work. Ki has never been stated to protect you from soul based attacks on a universal scale to assert that ki protects from soul hax. Unlike say...Jujutsu Kaisen's cursed energy which has explicitly been stated to protect from certain direct soul based hax, as an example.
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it literally does, it means that she is weak asf like others humans, yet she can resist soul hax that humans doesn't
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Why is every soul crush thread DB related lol.
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curse of being the most popular shonen ig
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Because everyone wants to make a fair ichigo vs goku match
Like a death god versus a sayan god
This is just a really cool match dont lie.
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Nah this can be explained just as well by saying any character with a spirit pressure that puts them anywhere above 10-A allows them to resist spirit pressure enough to not instantly die.
Both are valid but mine is consistent with aizens theory.
She is weak, she's really strong and has spirit pressure.
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Yeah, which further proves that RC is not related with AP at all as some people think
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thats wrong, because that would be claiming that Tatsuki is literally somewhere above Peak Human despite no feats, and even if she is above Peak Human, claiming that she is somewhere Yammy level is wrong, if the strength argument was a thing, she would never have survived it, I can also bring others characters such as Ichigo and Yhwach, Rukia sensed Ichigo power, yet she didnt died, and Rukia is like, 6-A? While Ichigo was 3-A/Low 2-C, and also Yhwach, the quincies (High 6-A) sensed his gigant power, aka 3-A/Low 2-C, yet they didnt died, the soul resistance isnt really all related with AP at all
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I didn't claim that she was peak human or above but that she as a 10-A , can resist spirit pressure from a 6-C. And neither did I claim that she scales to yammy, actually the exact opposite.
That doesn't prove anything either. It just means ichigo as a low 2-C has a spirit pressure which can't crush high 6-A's.
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Yes, aka soul resistance, which others humans doesnt
that proves that SC is not really related with AP, as a bunch of High 6-A doesnt die to the supposed Low 2-C AP that people claim that its related with SC
Rabbit2002
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Well, Ki is really your very soul and life force, the bigger the Ki, the stronger those things
Well, we have a goat with his own Ki which is nothing but at very least hundreds thousands to millions, even Trillions to quadrilions of souls (high end) from every living thing whether animal or plant (down to the blade of grass) over 320 planets. And with all that Ki, he's only 4B and can't do much without magic
Well, we have a goat with his own Ki which is nothing but at very least hundreds thousands to millions, even Trillions to quadrilions of souls (high end) from every living thing whether animal or plant (down to the blade of grass) over 320 planets. And with all that Ki, he's only 4B and can't do much without magic
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That's not the point, it means yammy can't instantly kill 10-As, or more like 10-As can survive his spirit pressure for a while before dying.
The spirit pressure being exerted passively doesn't scale to the full AP. For the same reason why tatsuki can resist yammys spirit pressure despite being much weaker.
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He can, as he affected several humans at once, and the reason that they give that characters like Orihime, Chad and even others characters later in the series, is because Ichigo presence gave them spiritual awareness, making them develop soul resistance and also some powers, yet, Tatsuki does not have any special power, just minor spiritual awareness iirc
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Affecting several humans at once does not increase his potency, it's just range.
Yeah they all developed spirit pressure including tatsuki, but her spirit pressure was low but still enough to resist yammy. What is your point here?
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Yeah I know, I said that because humans usually are affected, except the ones who have spiritual awareness, despite their strength
because humans usually are affected, except the ones who have spiritual awareness, despite their strength
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They get spiritual awarness from having spirit pressure, their spirit pressure is basically synonymous with power, so having spirit pressure gives you a resistance to higher power. Again if you interpret this as hax resistance or pure power resistance are both valid interpretations, but the latter is consistent with aizens theory.
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Takes a few seconds
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Isn't that like really slow for dbs characters though
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despite tatsuki not being any better than an athletic human or something
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passive
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FYI even if u want to make the energies = via verse equalization DBS characters would not get Soul hax resistance
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