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irl the original mvpThe real cal howard said:But Knuckles isn't fodderUltimateFlare said:NGL, that last part by Cal came across as "I can't believe this guy I like is fodder now"
No offense.
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irl the original mvpThe real cal howard said:But Knuckles isn't fodderUltimateFlare said:NGL, that last part by Cal came across as "I can't believe this guy I like is fodder now"
No offense.
In order:The real cal howard said:Aight so Shake asked me to comment here againas he had no other options.Whether I agree or not, he just wants this to move on.
Here's the original calc for the Exlipse Cano. Giving it the star statement, it's continent level, not any cosmic level blast.
But that's not my main draw.
I'm still not for this upgrade, sorry.
One, Dark Gaia. I'm not believing Sonic stomped it. One, that just makes no sense. Final boss getting stomped. Two, I was there when Sera upgraded the Emeralds. Her words were something like the CEs Power is as strong as they need to be for the scenario. Sonic straight up wasn't hitting with tier 2 energy unless DG was tier 2 itself.
Also the logic about the negative Chaos Energy feels...strange. Eggman used an Emerald to screw up the planet all the way back in the Advance games, and it didn't turn gray. Surely didn't have positive intentions then.
But mostly, the characters being anywhere near the doomsday weapons makes little sense storywise. They always need to stop it from the inside, and what you're saying is literally anyone worth their salt can wreck the Emerald powered doomsday weapons. Sonic's shown to need his super form to do it in Unleashed's opening. This is pushed even further by the fact that Eggman specifically has machines capable of combating Sonic that are very much not Emerald level. Boss machines (imma just call it that) = Sonic = Eclipse Canon and the like >>>>>>> Boss Machines. Chaos is the biggest offender, with the massive inconsistencies of his portrayal. As I said before, Cheese being > Chaos in any of his forms, let alone Perfect, makes zero sense contextually.
Basically what I'm saying is that the franchise is inconsistent.
I'm sorry. I know i was just supposed to take my leave. I should just go again. Sorry for disappointing.
@Ant, Wok explicitaly agreed with the main part of the thread...Wokistan said:I can agree with saying Modern is stronger than dreamcast era and scaling him to perfect chaos, egg dragoon, etc at 5-A. I don't really feel like dealing with the rest rn but maybe I'll come back
He did agree for the 5-A Supers removal (making Super Sonic be with only 4-A to 2-C part) based on his commentAntvasima said:Yes, but doesn't Cal disagree? That makes the situation uncertain.
actually it wasn't the cannon that woke dark gaia, it was an amalgam of super sonic's amazing powers and as well as the chaos emeralds. http://info.sonicretro.org/index.php?title=File:SonicUnleashed_Prima_digital_guide.pdf&page=5Theuser789 said:All those arguments were just analogies with a completely diferent context than this
We can just put Chaos 0 at the level of the current cast instead of downgrading everyone else, he could simply be stronger than his adventure self thus scale instead of downgrading everyone, plus the emeralds just Amp him, he could be simply already be at that level, get what I am saying?
Anyways I do agree not every character should get to be as strong as current Sonic and Co, only certain characters
The original calc of the FEB was simply wrong from another website, Sonic's fight with Dark Gaia doesn't even matter because the 5-A is from the cannon who simply awakened him, he even absorved the Werehog before fighting Light Gaia so scaling him to a feat that isn't even his is weird, he simply should be 4-A to 2-BC
Cal didn't even want to comment at first at all, and his reasons were already refuted by ShakeAntvasima said:Yes, but doesn't Cal disagree? That makes the situation uncertain.
Greenshifter said:@User Just wait for Cal to comment again.
No, we always need some sort of staff consensus. This is nothing unusual. The staff are just more reluctant to help out, since the Sonic threads have been filled with too much drama, and regular members who do not respect their decisions and continue to argue forever.TheImagineBreaker121212 said:this is nuts, if it was any other franchise this would've been got.