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Sonic vs Travis
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how high in 5-A that Travis guy scales into?
just specify in the yottatons range so I'll know it better.
just specify in the yottatons range so I'll know it better.
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Upscales a lot from this calculation. I believe that is 317.69 Yottatons. I can give the full scaling chain if needed.
EDIT: Full Armor/Stat Amps Travis >= Endgame Travis >> Late Game Full Armor Travis (Full Armor can contend with Midori evenly-ish, who would be stomped by FU alongside her peers and superiors, and Travis can contend with FU in base though at a disadvantage) > Late Game Travis > Mid/Early Game Travis > Space Mini-Bosses (Space Peacock performs the feat, and the first boss in the game is categorized as stronger than SP)
Alternatively, the ten major bosses in the game are ordered by strength, with the weakest one being > the feat, and all of them at once wouldn't last 10 seconds against FU, who Travis fights and beats.
EDIT: Full Armor/Stat Amps Travis >= Endgame Travis >> Late Game Full Armor Travis (Full Armor can contend with Midori evenly-ish, who would be stomped by FU alongside her peers and superiors, and Travis can contend with FU in base though at a disadvantage) > Late Game Travis > Mid/Early Game Travis > Space Mini-Bosses (Space Peacock performs the feat, and the first boss in the game is categorized as stronger than SP)
Alternatively, the ten major bosses in the game are ordered by strength, with the weakest one being > the feat, and all of them at once wouldn't last 10 seconds against FU, who Travis fights and beats.
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smh my head
I returned from my hiatus to reply to this:
He scales to this feat that was performed by a fodder(?) enemy. Except, as is standard with planetary level characters, he also has a scaling chain which goes like this:
Space Peacock < Mr. Blackhole < Gold Joe < Native Dancer < Kimmy Love < Velvet Chair Girl < Ohma < Midori < Destroyman True Face < Sonic Juice < Henry Cooldown (I mean, you could argue Travis and him are equals, since they're rivals and brothers 'n' stuff) < Fu = Travis. Except he can make himself stronger with Full Armor Mode.
Aaaaaand back to my mini hiatus I go.
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FU is stronger than Travis, not to a crushing extent and Travis can amp himself to be at least equal to him, but FU is still stronger usually.
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To be fair to Sonic calculation is 81 Yottatons and would also have a scaling chain.
However Travis would still be 4x stronger
However Travis would still be 4x stronger
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actually he does upscale from Chaos 4, who is like 462 yottatons because of the addition of power he receives between each emerald absorved linearly. (that's taking the literal meaning btw)
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Clearly the increase isn't linear considering he's tier 2 with all of them.
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the profile treats the increase in power by multiplying the minimum factor of energy a single emerald can produce.
about the increase itself being linear is never once clarified, since the Chaos Emeralds's power is implied to vary greatly depending on the occasion faced.
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I understand that, but if you use that logic you end up with Low 2-C base Chaos.
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well, a single emerald isn't Low 2-C either.
despite one of them reflecting the Time Eater's influence while erased.
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(For the sake of not being misunderstood, I do not think that Sonic is Low 2-C in base)
Anyway, I'll drop this for now. How big is Sonic's scaling chain beyond the x4 thing?
Yeah but if it's assumed that they scale linearly, then 1/7 Low 2-C = Low 2-C, so the assumption that they scale linearly is very flawed.
Anyway, I'll drop this for now. How big is Sonic's scaling chain beyond the x4 thing?
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So 463 yottatons? Then it’s only a 1.4x times difference
But Travis has a big scaling chain and armors to boost himself further so it will likely close the gap
But Travis has a big scaling chain and armors to boost himself further so it will likely close the gap
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Considering the sheer size of his scaling chain I would honestly give Travis the edge in AP even before armor/amps unless Sonic has his own. Though it probably doesn't matter too much since he can cut people superior to him without too much of an issue.
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I would also assume that Travis is the more skilled fighter here. Not to doubt Sonic but like in terms of skill feats I believe Travis would be superior
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Honestly the real question here is how quickly does Sonic start using and abusing Time Stop? I'm obviously open to counterarguments but I would generally say that Travis is more skilled and should be able to get used to Sonic's acrobatic superiority fairly quickly given that he has beaten other people far more mobile than himself, plus his various Instinctive Reaction/Precog abilities should give him a strong advantage in combat, nevermind that the usage of a bladed weapon (well, an analogue to one) means he has a much more readily available method of ending the fight than Sonic's blunt force, which he can weather a good amount of given that he has access to healing + his (slow) regeneration. I must mention that Sonic is quite lucky in that he resists Time Manipulation, which saves him from some of Travis' usual wincons. Travis does also resist Time Manipulation, but that wouldn't be enough given Sonic's resistance negation.
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Also one thing to note is that if both were in character I don't think Travis would attempt to kill Sonic, at least unless necessary. Sonic is pretty young and a pretty decent person so I think he'd at least attempt a non-lethal approach. Though idk if the fight is in character or SBA in which case once he's willing to kill Travis is pretty dead-set on doing it, do the point that even when he doesn't want to at all he needs to be talked out of it by a friend.
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Sonic is not against killing though, he killed certain enemies before
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So then if Sonic isn’t against killing Travis he would likely also try to go for the kill when Sonic attacks
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Sonic isn't the less skilled guy to face people in that sort of department, Shadow has acrobatic skill rivaling Sonic's own and he can fight on a almost evenly pace against him. He stalemated Blaze in their first encounter, a flame-like speedster with skills comparable to Sonic's own (as a result of extensive training in her own dimension), fought against a Gizoid with the abilities of other fighters in the Battle cast with 4,000 years to share of experience, shows triumph over martial art experts like Espio who is a specialist in the use of ninjutsu, and the list goes on.
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To be fair, I would say that in terms of skill both are on a even ground in compensation given the feats established in the other guy's profile.
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Then Travis is gonna go for the kill immediately, he would feel Sonic's bloodlust. In fact given SBA he probably would anyway.
But also, if both were in character, I don't think the fight would escalate to that. I don't think they are though.
(I don't think that's how it works. Also this is Adventure 2 Sonic, knowing what's to come next for him, it would probably be a mercy kill)
I don't think I would agree. Travis has beaten people who learn in one day what others would in years and prepped for almost a decade to fight him again, people with instinctive reaction so powerful it completely drives them in combat even when they're unconscious, the absolute best warriors in the entire galaxy, and utterly stomped this guy who has, among other things, really busted accelerated development, instinctive reaction and (somehow) skill-based paralysis manip and moves that just are not perceived by the opponent. He also has instinctive reaction that allows him to dodge continued lasers or automatic gunfire from behind him or multiple directions at once, Precognition that warns him of just about any attack a second or so in advance, a weapon that constantly shifts the shape of its blade to fit his attacks, Information Analysis that is probably strong I dunno I can't really tell. He also has planetary range homing danmaku when he enters his Full Armor, as well as various stat amps that I think he's able to activate at any time? That is pretty unclear admittedly, he needs to kill someone to activate them in gameplay, but the same counts for the armor and he can activate that wherever he wants in cutscenes. So that's a solid probably.
I'm not saying Sonic isn't a very good fighter, he totally is and he can probably keep up with Travis for at least a while, but I don't think "beats really well-trained people" is a comparable feat of skill. I think him copying Chaos Control is more impressive, actually, but even then that's not too unheard of in KTP ranks, even Travis himself can learn new wrestling moves just by reading about them and pick up new jobs (even stuff like being an astronaut) really really fast.
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I had read that, yeah.
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What their ap again?
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Sonic scales to a somewhat higher feat but Travis has a huge scaling chain
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Sonic isn't bloodlusted. He just isn't against killing, which is normal for SBA
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Sorry, I should have specified, bloodlust is a verse thing in No More Heroes, it's basically just intent to kill, which Travis can sense with high accuracy
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Due to SBA, everyone will kill if needed. Sonic doesn't kill his enemies all the time, but he isn't against doing it when he needs to
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Yeah, what I'm saying is Travis will sense that and be even more willing to kill.
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What does Sonic usually lead with?
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if sonics not bloodlusted he'd probably just go for a homing attack or any type of spin dash attack
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I think the difference in skill is one of the things that's not going to really determine how this match will go given the very minor difference between their feats, Sonic fights against people specifically designed to rival his abilities (Metal Sonic) and stomp the Egg Dragoon, a mechanical dragon specifically designed to counter Sonic's movement patterns, or Metal Sonic being able to replicate the skill of every fighter inside of the main cast and Sonic stomping him, despite Travis having instinctive reaction, he would need to worry about the possibility of Sonic abusing focused homing attacks and something of the sort if he sees normal H2H combat isn't working, since those attacks can normally overpower different sources of fighting styles (See him using it against Master Zik, who, despite being a martial arts expert, can't avoid the proportion of the focus the attack has)
Sonic does have the option to use Chaos Control's teleportation and time stop aspect to gain a minor edge over mobility, but it isn't on a pace like you could say ''Oh **** Minato FTG style'' or something of the sort, but it can be useful one time at all, especially if he notices this difficulty during the course of the fight.
that said, what does Travis usually lead with? I didn't see any response to this yet.
Sonic does have the option to use Chaos Control's teleportation and time stop aspect to gain a minor edge over mobility, but it isn't on a pace like you could say ''Oh **** Minato FTG style'' or something of the sort, but it can be useful one time at all, especially if he notices this difficulty during the course of the fight.
he usually starts by using a homing attack and H2H combat at first.
that said, what does Travis usually lead with? I didn't see any response to this yet.
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Travis fights with his collection of beam katanas, and will sometimes attempt to stun his opponent with a dropkick or something similar to perform a wrestling move on them. Since this is NMH3 Travis, he'll also use his new Death Glove chips, though the only ones that will matter is the one that let's him attack Sonic by summoning a rain of energy projectiles over him, and the one that let's him teleport somewhere near Sonic to dropkick and stun him.
Besides that, Travis also makes his opponents lose track of him even if he just barely managed to dodge their attack.
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wait, hold on, I don't renemeber the OP ever making explicit which key is being used for Travis...
there are 2 of them that are tier 5.
