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Ugh. Can we close this?
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No reason to close a thread when people are still discussing, and there's no need to rush this.
It's not like the people rooting for Immeasurable speeds have that much of faulty reasonings, it's literally just a matter of whether people think they scale or not.
It's not like the people rooting for Immeasurable speeds have that much of faulty reasonings, it's literally just a matter of whether people think they scale or not.
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They do. The one who made this thread is STILL saying that Time Eater should have immeasurable speed via time travelling through movement, even though that's blatantly false.ShakeResounding said:
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Fine, sure, let's say it is blatantly false.
That doesn't change the fact that the Hedgehog Trio genuinely fought Solaris, who is now Immeasurable. Arguing for the scaling is still valid, even if the other points aren't. Whether it's an outlier or not, that's up for the people of this thread to debate about.
That doesn't change the fact that the Hedgehog Trio genuinely fought Solaris, who is now Immeasurable. Arguing for the scaling is still valid, even if the other points aren't. Whether it's an outlier or not, that's up for the people of this thread to debate about.
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Yeah, but Solaris was anchored. That's why they were able to fight him.ShakeResounding said:
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No, Solaris being anchored was why he didn't just gulp down everything in the multiverse.
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Pretty sure that's false, but I don't know enough about 06 to say otherwise.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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"This creature will consume all existing timelines, and time itself will collapse, and disappear into nothingness."
"He eats dimensions for lunch."
Sounds straightforward.
"He eats dimensions for lunch."
Sounds straightforward.
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It's that once sentence where Eggman said "but, there should be something that's anchoring him in this dimension."
It's never explained what was anchoring him. His reaction speeds would still be immeasurable anyways.
It's never explained what was anchoring him. His reaction speeds would still be immeasurable anyways.
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Yeah, he will. He's fighting the hedgehogs at the moment.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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Not really.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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"Not really."
Not really an argument.
Not really an argument.
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I'm kinda done arguing about this. I agree with immeasurable Solaris, I disagree with everything else.
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Even I've admittedly conceded on infinite speed. Immeasurable makes more sense anyways.
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They never left the rift. Solaris was still in the rift. You can see his light and hear him from the rift.
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The guide does make a distinction between the rift where everyone else is & the void where Solaris is fought.
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There's an entire other thread where people who haven't responded to this disagree. Even in the best case scenario, Immeasurable hedgehogs is an outlier.
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Sonic has a grand total of zero infinite speed feats.
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Time Eater is being downgraded as the supporting reasons were flawed. This is why the last thread at the very least should've been linked in this.
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Nothing's being changed as of right now.
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You forgot a certain Lake Trio ovo
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True, they still ain't touching Creation Trio and especially Arceus.
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Yeah, Time Eater is getting downgraded for the same reason Super Dimentio was downgraded and for the same reasons Goku and Jiren aren't infinite speed.
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Other than obvious outlier of Base Sonic running around in there,White Space actually sounds like type 3,stated & shown to be timeless by depicting characters & places as being devoid of color. The Lair Of Time Eater is it's natural enviornment which is located inside of White Space.
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And meanwhile you have people like Krillin able to move in the World of Void, so Dragon Ball isn't the best comparison. Nobody gets frozen in there.
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Dimentio was unjustly downgraded,why would he do something so detrimental to himself if he couldn't move or function after the multiverse is destroyed?
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He was downgraded because he didn't have actual feats of moving in a void. I'm neutral about Dimentio.
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Moving in a "Timeless Void" simply counts as specific hax, not Infinite or Immeasurable speed. And Dimentio was actually described as being one with the void iirc, but we don't consider moving in voids a speed feat, since it's Undefined. Also, "Krillin being able to move in the world of void" also applies to Sonic characters like Eggman and Tails being able to talk inside the "Void." Anyway, Solaris being "Anchored" implies that he's actually not able to use his full power or speed right away and that the Super Hedgehog Trio doesn't actually scale from Solaris to begin with.
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Solaris being anchored just means he was unable to travel from his spot. It's not going to make his reaction speeds infinitely slower. It's like if I had my ankles chained to a wall. I can't leave the spot but I can still move my arms at the same speed as I would if I wasn't being chained.
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But still, do to his lack of movement space, he was still unable to avoid the Trio's attacks. Besides, the super forms having Immeasurable speed would contradict many other consistencies against other end game boss fights. Though, I want to hear Matthew Schroeder or Sera Ex's thoughts.
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