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I'm still curious on the possible 2-B even though it was semi debunked
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2-C is the safer option. Can't be sure how it would play out if Solaris were to come across Illumina.
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I'm pretty sure Solaris wouldn't have effected Illumina but he might be able to effect MaginaryWorld possibly
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MFTL+ speed for hedgehogs: 12 (Assalt, Schnee, Cal, Rot, Kukui, DDM, Supawa, Xeno, Superweeb, Mickey, Glass, Crop)
Against: 9 (Shadow, AD, Shake, Jobbo, Alex, Karmod, Mxy, Dark, MaVerick)
Against: 9 (Shadow, AD, Shake, Jobbo, Alex, Karmod, Mxy, Dark, MaVerick)
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DMB 1 never said anything about the speed.
Dark649, KarmodF, Mxy5, and Maverick Zero also agreed with me.
Dark649, KarmodF, Mxy5, and Maverick Zero also agreed with me.
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Maverick Zero only had one reply and he never said he agreed.
So it's still 11-8
So it's still 11-8
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He said he agreed with the Solaris stuff.
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His only reply I found.Maverick Zero X said:
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It's the very first comment.
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Ok. Updated.
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2-A is a no since the canon Sonic Multiverse has no confirmed infinite universes while the 2-B is a maybe for maybe effecting MaginaryWorld which contains thousands of universe sized dreams
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I agree with immeasurable Solaris, neutral on immeasurable hedgehogs and a big retribution from an old thread so I'll explain later.
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I agree with immeusreable
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I asked Matt and he said that he absolutely disagrees with Immeasurable Sonic
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I mean the super forms are affected by Time Eater slowing time
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DIO has time stop that works on infinite speed characters.
Thanos has time stop that works on immeasurables.
That would just mean the Time Eater has time slow that works on a higher level.
Thanos has time stop that works on immeasurables.
That would just mean the Time Eater has time slow that works on a higher level.
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Did he say why?The real cal howard said:
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That it's wank.
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I hope that's not the only reasoning he gave.The real cal howard said:
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Just to add to this, Tenma Yato has time stop that works on people with Irrelevant speed.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
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^And the Throne lacks any concept of time.
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Mhm
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We need details on Solaris' anchoring supposedly downgrading it's speed infinitely.If not than 2-C Supers scale.
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There's none. Just one sentence Eggman said with no further context. All it means is that Solaris couldn't leave his spot, his reaction speeds are still immeasurable.
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In the absolute best case scenario it's an outlier, and I'll stay by that.
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Yeah,the Burden of Proof is on those making the claim that it changes his reactions speed.
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Finally here.
There is literally no immeasurable speed feat for Sonic himself.
Yes, Solaris is omnipresent throughout time, but that's it. Sonic fought it at non-immeasurable speeds in the present, while Shadow and Silver fought it at non-immeasurable speeds in the past and future.
All that really meant is that he had to be killed in past, present and future to be defeated.
There is literally no immeasurable speed feat for Sonic himself.
Yes, Solaris is omnipresent throughout time, but that's it. Sonic fought it at non-immeasurable speeds in the present, while Shadow and Silver fought it at non-immeasurable speeds in the past and future.
All that really meant is that he had to be killed in past, present and future to be defeated.
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Solaris being omnipresent throughout time means that he is not bound by linear time. Otherwise there would be no reason why destroying him in the present would have no effect. This would mean his speed would have to be immeasurable.
Sonic, Shadow, and Silver had to attack him across all of time in order to defeat him. That cannot be done with MFTL+ or even infinite speeds, as those are limited to linear time.
Sonic, Shadow, and Silver had to attack him across all of time in order to defeat him. That cannot be done with MFTL+ or even infinite speeds, as those are limited to linear time.
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Those points in time are all relative to each other though,Sonic's present is Silver's past but Shadow's future,meaning they would have to attack at more than one point in time at once,immeasurable or Solaris wouldn't be damaged in the first place.
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Solaris was still anchored and each of those three time periods; still, Sonic and the others cannot travel through time at well, or perceive Past Present and Future as the present like one with Immeasurable reaction speed would. Also, being anchored also means Solaris' body parts and attacks were also unable to move at Immeasurable speeds. He can be Omnipresent without the anchor, but he was at the time period unable to react to what he perceives.
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The Super Trio Does Travel through time at will though,in the very cutscene that they go to face Solaris. It was across all time,meaning that it existed in a further past/future than Shadow/Silver,they had to have been attacking throughout the entire span of time itself from beginning to end to have effectively defeated it.
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Except that's only Travel speed, not combat speed. Zeno-sama doesn't have Immeasurable speed via one-shotting Zamasu. The attacks are more like AoE combined with hax rather than speed.
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Kinda splitting hairs there.Combat & travel should be in the same ballpark in a series where characters can spin their bodies TO travel & react accordingly,& bringing Dragon Ball up is another can of worms.
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And they've always demonstrated finite speeds whenever they do that as well as fight each other. Why does Super Sonic still struggle to dodge meteors if he's supposedly at least two degrees of infinite times faster than them? And why are Amy and Tails able to talk to Sonic while they're fighting Solaris?
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