Sonic the Hedgehog: Super Forms Speed Upgrade

[ShakeResounding]

Unfortunately, we still need staff to comment. I clarified some points for Ultima, and Elizhaa just agreed with debunked points. Staff members, amirite? OvO

 

[ShakeResounding]

Vibe check

 

[Theuser789]

Vibe check bump

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Look away, look away...

 

[ShakeResounding]

I know it's a faster bump than usual, but for real.

I've yet to get a response to my post aside from a few questions and such from Ultima, which I responded to. I've offered rebuttals for any arguments proposed, which have gone unanswered. I even danced around an argument stemming from something that didn't even exist (no offense, Greenshifter. You're still my pal). I know staff say is really the only say that actually matters, but I'd like for this to be over.

 

[Theuser789]

Shake bump

 

[Greenshifter]

At this point we're gonna be 2021 before this gets officially accepted or denied.

 

[00potato]

I accept it, and that is all that matters.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Maybe this just supports immeasurable speed?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Theuser789]

Bump for comment

 

[Elizhaa]

Currently, I don't think most arguments for those who disagree were debunked but just a matter of different perpective.

I am still iffy on the assumption that The Exception (the area where they fight the Egg Salamander) caused in the merging of the universes, is "near the edge of the universes" since fictions have been generally been inconsistent the location of universe merging so I think the distance is unquantifiable.

Shake, though, you can ask staffs like Administrators or Discussion Moderators for more inputs.

 

[ShakeResounding]

No, they were actually legitimately debunked. This has nothing to do with perspective.

It's not inside of the universe, it's outside of it by a fair margin from what we see. I've said that repeatedly during this thread. So using the size of the observable universe is completely valid. And what other works of fiction do is irrelevant to this case.

I'll ask, then.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I'm kind of neutral regarding this upgrade. While it could be assumed that The Exception Zone is outside the universe, I don't see any conclusive proof (As in a description of the place, where it is, or even a map) that it truly is outside the universe.

That being said, I would love to hear more input regarding this.

 

[DarkGrath]

I'm sort of in weak agreement with this. Not disagreement, mind you, I still support it. Just with some mild doubt. If it explicitly was just moving out of the universe, then I suppose that using the radius of the observable universe would be fair, though is there any indication of how close they were to the edge? Like, obviously the feat would be toned down quite a bit if they were close to the edge already, though I have no clue if they were.

It's difficult for me to evaluate this without much knowledge on Sonic as a whole, so my agreement probably should be taken with a grain of salt. But the feat does seem legitimate.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Here's a clip. As you can see, they seem to travel quite the distance. There's a gigagatic area of darkness that dwarfs The Exception itself and has no negstove impacts on Somoc's universe, implying that it's pretty far away from the edge of the universe as a whole to have that much space between the edges and The Exception alongside nothing in Sonic's universe going haywire. Especially considering The Exception would've destroyed it.

 

[Theuser789]

They flew from Earth (or Earth's equivalent in Sonic) to the edge

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm kind of neutral regarding this upgrade. While it could be assumed that The Exception Zone is outside the universe, I don't see any conclusive proof (As in a description of the place, where it is, or even a map) that it truly is outside the universe.

The proof is within the clip I just posted. If they were still within the universe, there would've been celestial bodies around The Exception. Instead, all we see is a vast and empty void.

Here's the clip agai.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Yes I have seen that moment. Although going by visuals alone for an upgrade makes me feel uneasy.

Anyways you do have a point, so I will agree to this for now until a counterargument spurs up.

 

[ShakeResounding]

You have a point on visuals alone. Luckily, to ease your worries, that isn't the only thing we're using. Context matters, too.

1. We know the universes are about to merge, and it's safest to assume at the edges if there's nothing to imply anything else.

2. We know The Exception is outside of the universe because you fight the Eggmen after they state they're going beyond their dimension.

3. Sonic's universe is yet to even be affected by The Exception, implying a distance between that and Sonic's universe.

4. With the prior three to substantiate travel outside of the universe, celestial bodies are nowhere to be seen.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I see. I guess your points make sense, so I'll be agreeing to this upgrade for now.

Should've named this thread "Too fast, too strong" lmao ovo

 

[Theuser789]

I-is the thread finnaly going somewhere?! Finnaly!

 

[ThatOneBrit]

This looks pretty straightforward, I don't see why there'd be any problems with applying it.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Before anybody decides to try anything, this thread in no way impacts the feat. Remember that the ending of Secret Rings reveals that Sonic physically travelled universes in base form by simply running from one to the other, establishing that there is a beginning and an end to universes that allows Sonic to physically travel from one to another within his cosmology.

As such, the calculation is unaffected due to in-universe circumstances.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Day 10 of quarintine, still trying to get Sonic's speed upgraded.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bump

 

[Truth_Bullets]

Obviously see nothing wrong with this.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I also agree after watching The Exception fight a couple of times. It clearly looks as though it is the void that is affecting both universes.

 

[Theuser789]

Bump

 

[Truth_Bullets]

Is there anything stopping these revisions? It doesn't look like there's any opposition and there's no reason to waste time.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I haven't gotten a single response to my counterarguments so I guess not tbh.

 

[Truth_Bullets]

This always happens on these sort of threads.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

My whole plan was to let this die a slow and painful death by me not doing anything.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

My whole plan was to let this die a slow and painful death by me not doing anything.

The Real Cal Howard...

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody summarise which members that agree and disagree about this revision?

 

[Theuser789]

My whole plan was to let this die a slow and painful death by me not doing anything.

Well, you lost then Mr.Squidward

 

[ShakeResounding]

C'mon Cal, you knew that was a pipe dream.

Agree

• Super Saiyan God Julian

• DarkGrath

Disagree

• Cal (Got BTFO'd like a boomer)

• DDM

Neutral

• Elizhaa (I think he changed his mind on flat disagreement and is now in a more neutral standpoint)

• Ultima (Was simply questioning the validity of the feat and concerns with it)

Current Consensus
My points are left unaddressed, and DDM's points of why this feat isn't valid holds no water.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Honestly I'm so far behind that I can't reread this (also I just ran a 5K so I'm 100% done with everything rn lol). I still think this is too much of a stretch.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Of course you do, you aren't even caught up in what's going on in the thread now