Sonic the Hedgehog Speed CRT: Gotta Go Even Faster

[Theuser789]

Introductions​

Welcome everyone to a Sonic CRT, a Sonic Speed CRT, haven't had those in a while huh.

Anyways, what this is about is an upgrade/update to both Base and Super Forms speed.

Base​

Metal Sonic has an attack called the "V. Maximum Overdrive Attack" in which he overcharges his circuits and charges ahead with x4 times his normal speed.

This is important given that Sonic can actually compete with that speed with his Super Peel Out (it's even on the profile) and his Sonic Boost.

The Sonic Boost is because in Generations Classic Sonic is blown away by the boost implying it's superior to the Super Peel Out and bear in mind he also saw Classic Metals V. Maximum Overdrive Attack earlier in the same game so it's likely superior to that without needing to be compared to the Super Peel Out.

Classic is 7.785c, meaning Modern is 31.14c, which brings us to 124.56c overall Post-Forces


Classic speed is 7.785c, using the Super Peel Out it goes all the way up to 31.14c (FTL+).

The same is true for Modern Sonic using the Boost... that's until Forces however.

The reason for this is because Infinite easily dodges Sonic's Boost at the beginning of the game, meaning his speed is >31.14c, Sonic then after the Six Months he spent in the Death Egg can keep up with Infinite normally.

This means his speed with the boost reaches all the way up to 124.56c (MFTL).

Also during the final fight, Eggman stated he surpassed Infinite and that the Phantom Ruby is complete, Tails further corroborates that by saying he's Overclocked the Ruby. This should put the Hyper Death Egg Robot final form speed higher than Infinite's V. Maximum Overdrive Attack, the playable trio keep up with it in their normal speed making their normal speed at the end of Forces at 124.56c and their Boost Speed 489.24c

This is also a lowball given that Sonic gets stronger and faster with age, so by the time of Forces his normal speed should be far higher 7.785c

But wait! That's not all for Base Speed!

Sonic constantly manages to react to the V. Maximum Overdrive Attack and dodge it, which means his reactions should also scale to it.

His normal speed doesn't change however, it's just his reactions that are higher.

There's also the Light Speed Attack, which is a two times multiplier for attack and speed, meaning the characters who have that move or something comparable to it are FTL+ while using it

Super Forms​

Now for Super Forms.

There's been several calcs that the Super Forms scale to or should be above by a wide margin.

Time Eater destroys the Classic Sonic Universe.

Dodonpa's Rocket reaches Planet Wisp.
*It's even been shown that Eggman's basic Egg Shuttles can do the same.

The Final Egg Blaster Speed.

The Babylon Garden Takes Flight.

Super Sonic and Burning Blaze fly to the Exception.

And thus Sonic's speed justification should be updated with these additional feats.

Conclusion​

Base Sonic, Infinite and the Mega Death Egg Robot should be upgraded MFTL, while Super Sonic (and those who scale to him) gets upgraded to 4.891323 Quadrillion c, with several supporting calcs and feats being added to his page.

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[BlastX]

Being the one who helped with the making of this CRT, I agree 100% with it.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Agree, but I have one more thing to add, and this is that Adventure Sonic, Shadow and Metal Sonic can all double their speed with the light speed dash, making them FTL+ (15.57c)

Blaze likely too because she can do a boost of her own in Sonic Rush iirc

 

[Theuser789]

Oh yeah, anyone who can do a boost scales to FTL+

Pretty sure Metal would already be FTL+ with his V.Maximun Overdrive attack

 

[JED]

Total agreement

 

[sanicspood]

I’m not sure about that time eater calc tbh

Everything else I agree with

 

[Theuser789]

Agree, but I have one more thing to add, and this is that Adventure Sonic, Shadow and Metal Sonic can all double their speed with the light speed dash, making them FTL+ (15.57c)

Blaze likely too because she can do a boost of her own in Sonic Rush iirc

Added that in the OP

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Agree with the CRT

 

[Rodri_"Dante"]

Seems... fine?
Yeah, I agree.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wouldn't Time Eater be Immeasurable if he's shown to react and fight with speeds comparable to timeline destruction tho?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Looks fine

 

[JJSliderman]

Kind of iffy on most of the super form stuff outside of Egg Blaster but base stuff seems okay.

Update: The lasers from the Eggrobos explode so Classic shouldn’t even be 7.7c

 

[TheShieldToronto76]

Following

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wouldn't Time Eater be Immeasurable if he's shown to react and fight with speeds comparable to timeline destruction tho?

I'd like an answer here lol.

 

[Theuser789]

I heard it's case by case

 

[Theuser789]

Update: The lasers from the Eggrobos explode so Classic shouldn’t even be 7.7c

Yeah, you are right, I am going to update OP with a new value from a different calc

Edit: Lasers can cause explosions

Are lasers capable of producing explosions ,or is that just fictional filler?

Please read this carefully before answering,in fiction lasers are quite common and they seem to have the property to produce explosions.I am not asking if they exist,I am asking if with the right technology can laser beams produce explosions.Is this just some myth or is there some truth to...

www.physicsforums.com

So the calc is still fine

 

[Fireld]

Speaking of speed shouldn't the Unleashed Calc BE moved from the Adventure Key to the Modern Key?
Explosions haven't been part of the laser disqualifiers list for a while now. There're lasers in other verse(such as OP)that cause explosions & still get accepted as LS.

 

[JJSliderman]

Tbf does it meet other qualifications for lasers

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I agree

 

[Theuser789]

Bump

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

So, we know Super Form's power varies. How do we know when is Sonic outputting a certain amount of energy?

 

[Theuser789]

Variable tier doesn't mean they have any tier, all those feats linked above are the minumun of a super form

 

[JJSliderman]

Honestly a lot of those feats seem kind of problematic.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Variable tier doesn't mean they have any tier, all those feats linked above are the minumun of a super form

Yes, I know, what I mean, how do we rank those who fight Super Sonic? To what tier do they scale?

 

[BlastX]

There's gonna be a CRT to resolve that too

 

[StrymULTRA]

I thought we rank SS basing on the enemies he fights tho.

 

[Theuser789]

Yes, I know, what I mean, how do we rank those who fight Super Sonic? To what tier do they scale?

They scale to 4-A and the rocket feat at the very least

Honestly a lot of those feats seem kind of problematic.

Not an argument

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with the OP.

 

[BlastX]

Honestly a lot of those feats seem kind of problematic.

All those feats have been accepted mate, I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[Fireld]

Speaking of speed shouldn't the Unleashed Calc be moved from the Adventure Key to the Modern Key?

So Unleashed was part of the Adventure Era all along then?

 

[Theuser789]

Yeah, it should

 

[JJSliderman]

All those feats have been accepted mate, I don't know what to tell ya.

Idk why when some of them make no sense in the context of story and previous gameplay instances, like the Exception one and the Babylon Garden one, or have no actual distance like the Rocket one.
Even the Time Eater one only says it can destroy universes in BradyGames guidebooks and the guide saying each stage in Generations is a separate dimensions says that “Sonic’s friends were sucked into another dimensions”, the typo possibly just meaning “another dimension” just as much as “other dimensions”.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Even the Time Eater one only says it can destroy universes in BradyGames guidebooks and the guide saying each stage in Generations is a separate dimensions says that “Sonic’s friends were sucked into another dimensions”, the typo possibly just meaning “another dimension” just as much as “other dimensions”.

Um, can you explain why this is an issue?

 

[Theuser789]

Why do the Exception and Babylon Guarden feat make no sense? Because you say so? Because each blog explains why they are valid, together with the rocket one, Tails says the Wisps were travelled across the universe and Planet Wisp clearly isn't even on the same Solar System as Earth, the value used is a lowball even. You can't just try to "debunk" with arguments like "Uh... I don't like it, makes no sense", the world doesn't revolve around you

 

[JJSliderman]

Exception doesn't make sense because it uses a transition screen, the same transition screen that appears for every boss in the game. It's not like Base Sonic is blazing past galaxies for every boss.

Babylon Garden makes no sense because the story notes how the planet is going to be sucked into the black hole. Why would the black hole suddenly be light years away if the planet is still in the same place and still being threatened?

The "across the universe" line is super throwaway and is the only indication of the planet's location, and yet for some reason that's grounds to say it's 46 billion light years away. It not being in the same solar system is true but there's no way to actually tell. Plus it's possible some teleportation was used, given that Dodon Pa works with Wisps (who can teleport things).

And with Time Eater the typo about "other dimensions" is an issue because that's the basis for saying each of the levels in White Space is a separate universe to my knowledge, and if the line is referring specifically to WS as "another dimension" instead of these levels as "other dimensions", it casts doubt on Time Eater erasing whole universes in one go. Even official material only says it "threatened" the universe, which is not universal in itself.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The "across the universe" line is super throwaway and is the only indication of the planet's location, and yet for some reason that's grounds to say it's 46 billion light years away. It not being in the same solar system is true but there's no way to actually tell.

Wait a minute, you didn’t actually explain why this statement is invalid, you just called it a “throwaway line”. What the hell?

Plus it's possible some teleportation was used, given that Dodon Pa works with Wisps (who can teleport things).

Pure headcanon.

And with Time Eater the typo about "other dimensions" is an issue because that's the basis for saying each of the levels in White Space is a separate universe to my knowledge, and if the line is referring specifically to WS as "another dimension" instead of these levels as "other dimensions", it casts doubt on Time Eater erasing whole universes in one go.

All that would cast doubt on is the levels of White Space being separate universes. There’s no contradiction to him erasing just Sonic’s universe.

Even official material only says it "threatened" the universe, which is not universal in itself.

Proof? Where does it say the Time Eater only “threatens” the universe?

 

[JJSliderman]

My mistake, says “thrown into chaos”: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796179201690566657/854089141205860402/image0.webp

But it’s still not actual universal destruction statements.

Time Eater also generally works by ripping out pieces of time and putting them in White Space so them being whole universes is pretty important in determining if TE can erase whole universes in one go.

The statement on Planet Wisp is fine but doesn’t give an actual location. There’s nothing to calc for distance.

The teleportation thing I’ll admit is more headcanon-type, though. More a theory to possibly explain the trip

 

[Theuser789]

Exception doesn't make sense because it uses a transition screen, the same transition screen that appears for every boss in the game. It's not like Base Sonic is blazing past galaxies for every boss.

That's wrong, the transition actualy looks different with Super Sonic and Burning Blaze versus base characters


(0:00 for base, 29:15 for Super)

Babylon Garden makes no sense because the story notes how the planet is going to be sucked into the black hole. Why would the black hole suddenly be light years away if the planet is still in the same place and still being threatened?

The Black Hole is objectively out of the Earth as seen in the game
(27:25)

It could simply just be that strong, it's a Black Hole afterall, those don't have limited range and can be gigantic, this is a non sequitur

List of most massive black holes - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

My mistake, says “thrown into chaos”: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796179201690566657/854089141205860402/image0.webp

But it’s still not actual universal destruction statements.

This doesn’t really contradict the universal destruction statements we do have though.

Time Eater also generally works by ripping out pieces of time and putting them in White Space so them being whole universes is pretty important in determining if TE can erase whole universes in one go.

Can you cite the scenes where it’s stated this is how the Time Eater works? Because what you’re describing is essentially BFR, but this doesn’t align with Eggman’s explanation of the Time Eater, who says it “obliterates” or “erases” space-time. These statements mean destruction, not BFR.

The statement on Planet Wisp is fine but doesn’t give an actual location. There’s nothing to calc for distance.

“Across” means “from one side to the other of” so…

 

[JJSliderman]

That would require PW to be on the very edge of the universe which ah.

Well that’s not really proven by anything.

I don’t recall there being many universal destruction statements in the game itself outside of TE erasing space and time, which could just be in localized areas like we see with the levels in game. Even in the final battle the only artifacts and geometry we see are from those levels, as opposed to pieces of the entire universe.