Sonic the Hedgehog Film Series Discussion Thread

[Theuser789]

Oh wait, so you’re saying that Sonic with full control over his power is stronger than Shadow but at his normal level is weaker or comparable? Am I getting that right?

I am saying Sonic doesn't have a "normal" level. His power fluctuates on his emotional empowerement like every character in the verse. You could also say Shadow's rage was amping him the entire movie because it gave him a clear goal versus Sonic who only got one when Tom was hurt.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I am saying Sonic doesn't have a "normal" level. His power fluctuates on his emotional empowerement like every character in the verse. You could also say Shadow's rage was amping him the entire movie because it gave him a clear goal versus Sonic who only got one when Tom was hurt.

So instead of Shadow being naturally stronger he was just using more power for most of the movie. Makes sense actually, yeah. The Eclipse Cannon moment would just be him being able to use more power on average than Sonic, which supports Commander Walters’ claim on him having the greatest amount of Chaos energy known.

Tier: 9-B/9-A, varies from 6-C to 5-C with Chaos Energy

Something like this for Sonic and Shadow’s tiers? Or would Shadow be something else instead of 6-C?

 

[Theuser789]

I think the base forms would just be 5-C. 6-C is just for one quill. Eggpod might stay at 6-C, tho.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I think the base forms would just be 5-C. 6-C is just for one quill. Eggpod might stay at 6-C, tho.

Since neither Sonic or Knuckles could do any damage to Shadow before Tom got hurt, I think it’s safer to just scale their weakest level some level above the quill (maybe add an “at least” moniker to the 6-C end). 5-C doesn’t feel consistent for Sonic and Knuckles, but maybe Shadow can be fully 5-C since he seems to have much better control over his power.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Dumb question, but what ability does Shadow get for using his Chaos Energy to amp up the motorcycle he rode on in Tokyo? Because he made it able to keep up with Sonic's speed during their chase.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Yeah I can finally be back on the forum after avoiding spoliers for nearly a week!

 

[Theuser789]

Since neither Sonic or Knuckles could do any damage to Shadow before Tom got hurt, I think it’s safer to just scale their weakest level some level above the quill (maybe add an “at least” moniker to the 6-C end). 5-C doesn’t feel consistent for Sonic and Knuckles, but maybe Shadow can be fully 5-C since he seems to have much better control over his power.

Shadow's feat is pure Chaos Energy, which the movie doesn't really state is that superior to Sonic, right? It only says he's better at using it. If not we can add a variable tier to them.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Shadow's feat is pure Chaos Energy, which the movie doesn't really state is that superior to Sonic, right? It only says he's better at using it. If not we can add a variable tier to them.

iirc Commander Walters’ exposition implied that Shadow’s normal usage of Chaos energy exceeded that of Sonic or Knuckles’ (which is supported by their initial fight and how Super Shadow could withstand the Eclipse Cannon longer than Super Sonic could). Sonic’s peak is greater than Shadow’s though.

I don’t mind if Shadow is always around 5-C or if he varies more as both interpretations seem fairly reasonable, though Sonic and Knuckles shouldn’t always be that level imo. Though I do recall Tom mentioning something about Sonic and Knuckles being capable of causing “global cataclysms” at the start of the movie, which might be too vague and off-handed to mean something but could also potentially give Shadow a good baseline if needed?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Dumb question, but what ability does Shadow get for using his Chaos Energy to amp up the motorcycle he rode on in Tokyo? Because he made it able to keep up with Sonic's speed during their chase.

Vector Manipulation for being able to "bestow" his speed upon it.
"As such the most usual applications of the power deal with the manipulation of the direction and velocity of the movement of various different things."
Quoted from the page itself.

Velocity:
the speed of something in a given direction.
"the velocities of the emitted particles"

• (in general use) speed.
  "the tank shot backward at an incredible velocity"

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Spoiler: Stats for characters and machines

Sonic:

Wall level, varies from Island level to Moon level with Chaos Energy | Small Planet level+, higher at his peak

Shadow:

Small Building level, varies from at least Island level to Moon level with Chaos Energy, higher without Limiter Rings | Small Planet level+, higher at his peak, even higher without Limiter Rings

OR

Small Building level, Moon level with Chaos Energy, higher without Limiter Rings | Small Planet level+, higher without Limiter Rings

Knuckles:

Small Building level, varies from at least Island level to Moon level with Chaos Energy, higher with the Flames of Disaster

Ivo Robotnik:

Street level or Wall level*, Wall level with Badniks | Island level | Small Planet level+

Wade Whipple:

Street level or Wall level, at least Island level with “Chaos knuckles”*

Gerald Robotnik:

Street level or Wall level, Wall level with Badniks and Gun Hunters

The Buyer:

Unknown with Mech suit, up to Moon level with Chaos Energy

*Wade breaking out of the cage and Robotnik tanking the Great Eggman Robot toppling over both may be Wall level
**No official name, but this seems like a fair one to use

Does this look good?

 

[Theuser789]

I disagree with the main guys having a 6-C key, but I think calcs should be made first before any scaling.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Yeah, it’s all just placeholders using baseline Planet level as a basis (also why I have Street level ends for the humans). Proper calcs would be good.

As an aside to everyone, I just rewatched the first fight in Knuckles and noticed Knuckles spends most of it without using his power. He takes a good amount of hits without going down and he’s able to clash with Willoughby’s weapons. Could this be used to scale base Knuckles to 6-C, or are there any major anti feats that contradict that?

Edit: Speaking of Knuckles, there’s actually something at the end that brings something interesting, that being how Wade could supercharge a bowling ball with enough power to knock back The Buyer’s mech a bit after it had absorbed all of Knuckles’ power. Based on my understanding of Chaos energy The Buyer’s mech should scale to Knuckles’ peak, which means Wade’s Chaos knuckles arguably downscale (albeit significantly), which also means Knuckles and Sonic’s standard use of Chaos energy would downscale from Knuckles’ peak as well. Idk if that one interaction is enough though as The Buyer is clearly still way above Wade based on how easily he counters the other bowling balls.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

So it seems Gerald licking Shadow’s quill makes him live longer? While it isn’t stated in the movie itself, it was only cut for pacing reasons and was still loosely implied in the movie so I feel it should be useable.

 

[That_moron2]

I disagree with scaling Sonic to Shadow outside of Super just not hearing anything about Sonic being massively inferior isn't enough to scale someone to another character who consistently kicks their ass

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I disagree with scaling Sonic to Shadow outside of Super just not hearing anything about Sonic being massively inferior isn't enough to scale someone to another character who consistently kicks their ass

Yeah Sonic’s base level absolutely shouldn’t. However I do feel like Super Sonic overpowering Super Shadow at the end should put base Sonic’s peak above Shadow, since it’s not like that power could come from anywhere else.

 

[That_moron2]

since it’s not like that power could come from anywhere else.

It absolutely could though

 

[Theuser789]

We will discuss the scaling stuff in the incoming CRT.

 

[Ednaxel2]

If I can recall the Death Egg laser was stated to have a certain radius range, that’s an easy way to get a calc

 

[Ghengiroo115]

If I can recall the Death Egg laser was stated to have a certain radius range, that’s an easy way to get a calc

25,000 miles iirc

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

So, how do you guys feel about Keanu Reeves' acting as Shadow the Hedgehog in this game?

My opinion: he's pretty good. I was initially worried about his performance after hearing his voice in the DLC in Shadow Generations, but I was pleasantly surprised by how he was able to make Shadow sound badass, intimidating when needed, and sad whenever we received flashbacks of his past with Maria.

 

[Ednaxel2]

So, how do you guys feel about Keanu Reeves' acting as Shadow the Hedgehog in this game?

My opinion: he's pretty good. I was initially worried about his performance after hearing his voice in the DLC in Shadow Generations, but I was pleasantly surprised by how he was able to make Shadow sound badass, intimidating when needed, and sad whenever we received flashbacks of his past with Maria.

I don’t like Keanu but yeah he fits Shadow

 

[That_moron2]

Does anyone have an idea of where in the movie Shadow's Chaos Energy is stated to be>Sonic's?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Does anyone have an idea of where in the movie Shadow's Chaos Energy is stated to be>Sonic's?

During when Commander Walters was explaining Shadow’s backstory. I don't remember the exact line, however I think it was more of an implication than something direct.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

During when Commander Walters was explaining Shadow’s backstory. I don't remember the exact line, however I think it was more of an implication than something direct.

I just checked, his exact line was "Shadow's power, his chaos energy, went far beyond any other living creature."

This was when he was telling Team Sonic about Shadow's backstory.