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Going to be fully honest we should remove the "With Chaos Energy" keys. It was made back with movie 1 where Sonic spent a chunk of his time without using his powers because of his trauma, but nowadays it doesn't really apply since Sonic uses his powers willy nilly. Chaos Energy is just part of their being like KI is in Dragon Ball, not a transformation. Stuff like Sonic getting hurt by a badnik in Movie 1 is like Goku getting hurt by a rock. Because they're just casual outings where they're either off-guard or just not using their powers.

So I believe we should just straight up make straight up 6-C and just add a note in the pages they're weaker while not using their powers/off-guard/out of combat. I think giving them a base key is like giving Goku a "no KI" key.
Yeah sense we're keeping it people keep asking is chaos energy a UES
 
Going to be fully honest we should remove the "With Chaos Energy" keys. It was made back with movie 1 where Sonic spent a chunk of his time without using his powers because of his trauma, but nowadays it doesn't really apply since Sonic uses his powers willy nilly. Chaos Energy is just part of their being like KI is in Dragon Ball, not a transformation. Stuff like Sonic getting hurt by a badnik in Movie 1 is like Goku getting hurt by a rock. Because they're just casual outings where they're either off-guard or just not using their powers.

So I believe we should just straight up make straight up 6-C and just add a note in the pages they're weaker while not using their powers/off-guard/out of combat. I think giving them a base key is like giving Goku a "no KI" key.
Unfortunately I don’t remember much of Sonic 2 as I was unable to rewatch it prior to Sonic 3, but based just on the Knuckles show I’m inclined to agree. Knuckles is shown dishing out and taking damage from the G.U.N. Agents using every way they’ve portrayed the animal characters in fights (with no energy, with energy around his fists, with energy around his body and with red eyes).
 
Sonic 2 is the same. Sonic takes hits from a charged fist, from Knuckles fully charged, etc and etc.
Then yeah that would make more sense.

Should Sonic have a separate key for Sonic 1 that’s “9-B, up to 6-C at his peak” or something? He has much less control over his power and struggles to even harm that one guy in the bar scene.
 
Sonic gets knocked out by a taser in one of the prequill comics so he dosent really get much stronger after movie one.
 
Sonic gets knocked out by a taser in one of the prequill comics so he dosent really get much stronger after movie one.
It's not that he gets stronger, is that the idea of separating Sonic "with" or "without" Chaos Energy is uneeded because it's like making a Goku page with a "with" and "without" KI keys. Read this part again:
note they can be caught off guard or are weaker out of combat and what user has said
The reason for a Movie 1 key because that's the only movie Sonic actually struggles using his powers and thus a separation between Chaos Energy or not is needed.
 
For the Knuckles show, were Wade breaking out of that cell or Knuckles carrying that giant sphere ever calced? Dunno if that second one is worth anything but still.
 
Also I just checked that Wade moment and I’m pretty sure the top of that cell is actually just cardboard, so not as impressive as I remembered (coulda swore it was steel or at least wood, but welp). I’m not great with calc stuff, but I imagine that would still be 9-C considering the jump itself and how easily he ripped through it.
 
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Yeah but its gotta need more than 1 requirement usually like 3 or 4 reqs need to be met, its gotta spaghettify, should have a discernable accretion disk and event horizon, the lightning coming out of it does kinda not bode well for that

Wiki be picky with black holes
At this point only the animation vs physics Black hole was able to do all the reqs...and the series was haxed from the wiki
 
🎅 Merry Christmas Peeps! 🤶

Last comment before I take a break from the forum, if Chaos Energy does end up as UES we already have enough for a page imo:

*Aura (demonstrated by Sonic, Knux and Shadow),
*Statistics amplification (demonstrated by everyone)
*Empowerment/Rage power (demonstrated by everyone, tho most notably by Sonic)
*Energy manipulation (self explanatory)
*Electricity manipulation (self explanatory)
*Heat manipulation (demonstrated by Sonic and Knux, Shadow naturally should scale)
*Limited Technology Manipulation (Demonstrated by Sonic, tho Knux and Shadow's energy can empower tech).
*Limited Absorption (Demonstrated by Sonic and Knux, Shadow should scale).

There's probably other stuff I'm missing but you'll get the jiff, cya in the new year peeps!
 
What if instead of using the GBE of Earth for the eclipse canon we used Neptune's GBE since it's 30,000 ish miles in diameter while the given value of the eclipse canon blast is a 50,000 miles.
 
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