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Sonic the Hedgehog Film Series Discussion Thread
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Amy and Metal will be the time travellers in this version (plus the Brotherhood was involved in time travel in Fleetway).
Ghengiroo115
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The thing is that the first Metal Sonic we see is stronger and a different colour than the others, so that one might already be the “proper” Metal. However it’s also possible that the blue Metal is more of a silent “team leader” deal akin to Alpha Grim Sonic from Sonic Prime, and Neo Metal Sonic is the boss behind the scenes or something like you said. Or maybe they go full Brotherhood of Metallix and base the boss Metal off of Emperor Metallix.
Honestly there’s so many different ways they could take it, considering we’ve gotten stuff like Emerald Eggman in Sonic 2. Metal Overlord in live action would go crazy though.
My dream final fight in Sonic 4 is the Hedgehog trio of Super Sonic, Super Shadow and Super Amy fighting whatever Metal Sonic’s final form is. If Eggman can have a Emerald-powered form in the movies, so can Amy (I also hope she wears the cloak the whole movie cause it would go insane with the Super form). While I would like Team Sonic to all go Super like in Heroes, I think the new character being more involved in the final battle would be more satisfying. Plus Team Sonic going Super has a greater chance of Tails and Knuckles just getting bubbles again, whereas with the Hedgehog trio they’d be more inclined to give Amy a proper Super form since she’d be the only one without one.
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Metal Sonic and his duplicates, as well as the presence of Amy, indicate to me that separate timelines are at play
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This future Amy is probably old as sonic meanwhile her present counterpart is like still a kid and not a teen yet
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Honestly having super hogs makes more sense than knuckles and tails because tails isn’t really a fighter, and knuckles gets folded by literally everyone else lmfao. The smart decision is for the hedgehogs to go super, especially since one of them is the current god tier (super shadow).
Also people are coping at super sonic sucker punching super shadow as if base shadow didn’t do the same lol
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Tyson already said Sonic beat Shadow fair and square so it's the Shadow fans coping with his loss.
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Well yeah, Shadow says as much
But anyone who says Sonic is able to do that consistently is delusional. Explicit rage amp that goes away given that Super Sonic gets knocked out by the Eclipse Cannon later on while Shadow maintains his form and even survives the explosion
Also base Shadow knocking the super out of Super Sonic (power null feat but damn he bitched him)
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regardless they do both contribute their half to stopping the eclipse cannon and fight it off for an extended amount of time, both of their scaling is solid. Shadow just has the edge moreso still to some degree
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I mean didn't Commander Walters state in the movie that Shadow's Chaos Energy was greater than any creature on Earth, even though he was aware of Sonic and co? Not to say that Shadow was stronger by an absurd degree or anything, but the movie treats Shadow like he's too much for Team Sonic to handle.
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Okay? I never said Shadow was not above them, am I missing something here or?
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This isn't about indexing, this is about the fact that Shadow consistently outmatches Sonic with ease and that he likely wouldn't have won without that off-guard sucker punch
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No I wasn't disagreeing with you, Dal. My comment was in reference to how strong Shadow should be in comparison to Team Sonic, but my apologies if I made it look like I was misinterpreting your comment.
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Where are the calcs for the new movie at?
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i meant consistently. its a very obvious rage amp, especially since shadow stays super while sonic detransforms due to the beam at the end
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Well, WoG from Tyson Hesse himself implies Shadow isn't that much above Sonic if at all.
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Movie takes president over WoG, it's very consistently shown shadow > sonic aside from that one punch, which, while is fair in a 1 on 1, is not consistent as it is a rage amp, the lasar knocking out sonic but not shadow should be evident of this. Hell we forgetting that shadow didn't take off his inhibitor's.
Also speaking of shadow, should a rage amped base shadow downscale from the moons destruction? Since it's also obvious he was rage amped and it needed time to build up.
Ghengiroo115
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Which is untrue based on the movie itself. There’s only one instance where Sonic has the upper hand and it’s with a rage boost.
Super Sonic is still relative to Super Shadow (just a little bit inferior), but their base form showings always have Shadow being way stronger than Sonic.
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Oh no I agree with that for sure, I thought we were speaking as far as the Super form scaling goes so mah bad
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Sonic Retro.
Ghengiroo115
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Btw were there any new notable human feats in Sonic 3? Also does Robotnik surviving the Sonic 2 ending with no injuries give anything or nah?
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Falling from high is just like 9-B, otherwise no there wasn't much in the way of human feats
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The interpretation of the person who produced the movie>>>>>>>>The interpretation of random VSBW users.
It's very clear the authorial intention is that Shadow isn't that far above Sonic, and like Tyson said Shadow only got two clean hits, Sonic outspeed him in the Tokyo Chase and straight up beat him in their super form fight ("rage boost" amp is cope when freaking Movie 1 already estabilishes Sonic's power changes between his emotions, are we going to say the Eggpod is stronger than Sonic and Sonic beat it because of a "rage boost"?)
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Super Sonic accelerated development? Super Shadow had effortlessly blocked that punch from Super Sonic at the start of the fight, and when Super Sonic got knocked around until he hit a volcano or something, he stopped Super Shadow's punch and managed to overpower him.
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yeah we can't really argue with WoG if that's what's said
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Sonic's powers ALWAYS worked on his emotions since movie 1. Not every single move he does is at 100% full power. "Thoughts turn into power" and all. Maybe we can add emotional empowerement in the movie pages.
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In fairness: if Sonic 1 established that his power fluctuates between his emotions and Sonic one shotted Shadow after the latter got him angry, wouldn't it be fair to assume that Sonic did indeed get a rage amp? Especially when they were pretty much comparable to each other in their Super forms before Sonic got pissed.
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Re-Posting Tyson's quote with full context so peeps can see he was replying to claims "Shadow stomped Sonic".
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But the movie literally shows that sonic gets knocked out of the beam while shadow stays in super until the eclipse canon explodes. That’s not an interpretation that’s just what happens.
I’m assuming you’re talking about the first meeting, in which shadow won? Shadow isn’t heralded as the fastest. He’s just thre strongest. Nobody is claiming shadow to be faster so moot point. Also he didn’t run circles around him in the Tokyo chase?
That’s what a rage boost is tho…….its like comparing a really pissed off hulk to his normal self in a fight.
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It's not a "rage amp" when all of his abilities are already based on emotional empowerement. Using this logic Sonic was "amped" when he obliterated the Eggpod after he got Tom's encouragement in the first movie. It's just Super Sonic using more power from himself and the emeralds.
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Shadow needs to take off his inhibitor rings to stop the explosion, which is an ACTUAL amp unlike Sonic simply using more power. That's what actually happens.
Because Sonic was dealing with something new, and like Tyson said he only got one hit in, he didn't gigastomp Sonic.
No, it's like comparing a chill Hulk with Hulk actually using his anger. You're acting as if Sonic was going beyond his limits rather than just harnessing more power. Using this logic the Eggpod is stronger than Sonic and Sonic needs an "amp" to beat him, which is not true.
Ghengiroo115
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Both the Tokyo and lab encounters have Shadow knocking Sonic out in one hit (with the second being implied to have happened to Knuckles as well), and Sonic is never shown doing any damage back.
Shadow wasn’t even trying to deal real damage to Sonic in the first encounter (he straight up doesn’t even want to bother with him), yet a single charged punch briefly knocks Sonic out.
Why are we talking about speed? No-one’s saying Sonic is slower.
Wait, are you suggesting Sonic wasn’t going all out before the end of the fight?
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That's fair. I decided to rewatch the fight myself because my memory was a little fuzzy and up until Sonic used more power to one shot him to the moon, he and Shadow were basically even with each other (with the latter having a bit of an edge until Sonic got him.)
At the very least, they're comparable to each other with Sonic being stronger when he uses more power.
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Sonic wasn't fully harnessing his powers, yes. It's a big thing in the movieverse Sonic isn't used to and doesn't know how to use his powers that well compared to Knuckles and now Shadow, because of his history of running away. Sonic only started using Chaos Energy at the end of movie 1. Shadow's insults were what Sonic needed to actually harness and use his power to the fullest with his emotions.
Ghengiroo115
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Oh wait, so you’re saying that Sonic with full control over his power is stronger than Shadow but at his normal level is weaker or comparable? Am I getting that right?
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The inhibitors just seal shadows power, it’s not an external source of power. Also a rage amp doesn’t mean from external sources. It just means you get so pissed off that it makes you stronger…..this is a literal thing irl with adrenaline allowing people to lift cars. Also shadow takes them off to push the cannon. He tanks the beam longer than sonic
Sonic charges an attack and jumps at shadow, shadow retaliates and knocks sonic out. And sonic quite literally said he needed to go super to take out shadow and stop the eggman.
When did I claim sonic went beyond his limits? it’s literally incredibly common in fiction for you to get so pissed off it makes you stronger temporarily. It’s not a normal level sonic can reach consistently otherwise he would have done it before
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That’s what I’m trying to say (well for super forms), I think user is misunderstanding my point
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