ShakeResounding
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Sonic the Hedgehog Film Series Discussion Thread
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Your town dont got a bootleg man?
Baken384
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nop
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Unless we get any statements that implies its a worse conversion rate for the core and its slower that'd actually be worse because at that point its not a matter of timeframe since he's running at superspeed so then the timeframe wouldn't be accurate to the work, work in this case would be measured by how many steps he took to generate said energy which at his speed and size (short legs and such) he'd have to take a lot of steps to even fully go around it once he runs around it at the very least 15~20 times before he jumps out which is like easily at worst 3000 steps.
Which means if the core is slow to get the intake the best you can hope for is something around High 6-A for base
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Its just infinitely better if Shadow does just supply enough energy that it takes 10 minutes for it to charge the cannon with no extra problems on the cores part if that ends up not being viable then GGs tier 5 Base but that's just how it rolls for accuracy
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Chaos energy is a UES...
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The core part isn't the more accurate though. Just use the regular one second for one spin and leave it at that. Honestly this thread is super disorganized so I just reccomend you do our own calcs in your own time and then head back here with the CRT.
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We can't do that if we're measuring any of it on Shadow's run to begin with the moment we discard the 10 minute statement we're given and instead want to go by shadow running then the timeframe aspect becomes far less viable since he's running at superspeed so work wouldn't be accurate to timeframe it'd be via steps which means if there's no problem with the core we should just use the 10 minutes and call it day. But yeah I agree its all over the place rn
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Just use the 10 minutes and call it day, yeah
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I swear UES is like very hard to get for a verse. How do the movies have one?
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Anyway the main feats in Sonic 3 that are noteworthy:
*Shadow's Chaos energy can power the world destroying Eclipse Cannon.
*The Eclipse Cannon managed to cut a large chunk off the Moon.
*Super Sonic and Super Shadow managed to hold off the world destroying Eclipse Cannon lazer for a brief period of time.
*Super Shadow managed to push the Eclipse Cannon a safe distance away from Earth.
*The Eclipse Cannon explosion near Earth would've caused an extinction level event.
*Super Sonic punches Super Shadow to the Moon.
*The Robotnik mini black hole absorbed an entire mountain's worth of matter.
Misc:
*The Team can all survive the heat of atmospheric re-entry.
*Sonic and Shadow can survive being on the Moon in base form.
*Shadow can teleport others and objects.
*Shadow can infuse his energy into vehicles to amp them.
*Knuckles (w/FoD) can shatter an energy barrier that would kill Sonic (I might be misremembering this).
*Sonic was able to break out of a gravity trap to save his family.
*Tails' hologram illusions are realistic enough to fool G.U.N agents and even Shadow.
*Tom survived a punch from Shadow (tho it seriously injured him).
*The Robotniks have access to nanotech suits that can create various weapons and objects based on voice commands (claws, pincers, fists, etc) as well as stealth suits that can reflect deadly lazers that similar to the energy barrier can kill or at the very least threaten Sonic.
*(Maybe an outlier?) base Shadow was able survive repeated contact with Super Sonic and even depower a super form.
*Shadow's Chaos energy can power the world destroying Eclipse Cannon.
*The Eclipse Cannon managed to cut a large chunk off the Moon.
*Super Sonic and Super Shadow managed to hold off the world destroying Eclipse Cannon lazer for a brief period of time.
*Super Shadow managed to push the Eclipse Cannon a safe distance away from Earth.
*The Eclipse Cannon explosion near Earth would've caused an extinction level event.
*Super Sonic punches Super Shadow to the Moon.
*The Robotnik mini black hole absorbed an entire mountain's worth of matter.
Misc:
*The Team can all survive the heat of atmospheric re-entry.
*Sonic and Shadow can survive being on the Moon in base form.
*Shadow can teleport others and objects.
*Shadow can infuse his energy into vehicles to amp them.
*Knuckles (w/FoD) can shatter an energy barrier that would kill Sonic (I might be misremembering this).
*Sonic was able to break out of a gravity trap to save his family.
*Tails' hologram illusions are realistic enough to fool G.U.N agents and even Shadow.
*Tom survived a punch from Shadow (tho it seriously injured him).
*The Robotniks have access to nanotech suits that can create various weapons and objects based on voice commands (claws, pincers, fists, etc) as well as stealth suits that can reflect deadly lazers that similar to the energy barrier can kill or at the very least threaten Sonic.
*(Maybe an outlier?) base Shadow was able survive repeated contact with Super Sonic and even depower a super form.
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I calced this, its 1 Exaton
Not a real black hole sadly
I think that'd just be resistance and power null
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Don't forget Super Sonic has like a Class T ~ P Lifting strength feat pushing that large landmass and mountain and he jumps off the ground
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Knuckles already did this in Movie 2 and Shadow is stealing his spotlight.
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Granted I don’t think eggman is super sonic tier ngl. Since
a. He’s human
b. He himself doesn’t produce chaos energy
c. His still uses mechs despite having the master emerald.
I think he only uses it for hax and abilities rather than physical stat buffs like the super forms
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Point A is a non-sequitur and the rest is straight up wrong. We literally see him fly and fire energy blasts in Movie 2. Making a mech is just his style. Maybe you should re-watch Movie 2.
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Both of which are not physical capabilities? Unless you’re trying to say that a punch and a lazar are the same thing? And I’m saying that because he’s human he doesn’t have the same chaos energy mastery as sonic and co cause they naturally produce it. He only gets it from the emerald
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A punch and laser are the same things when powered up by Chaos Energy. Just like Chaos Spear is as strong as Shadow.
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High 6-A huh? Neat! Makes a good baseline for full on Chaos Energy considering a single quill can reach 6-C levels of power.
Thought as much but still a good supporting feat nevertheless plus it'll be very inconsistent with the narrative anyway (why use the EC if you can create Black Holes?).
Hmmm... I thought this too, I only though it was an outlier due to Shadow actually reacting to Super Sonic and catching him off guard (reminiscent of the stunt he pulled on Super Neo in IDW).
Is there a planned novelization for the third movie?
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Well the Eclipse cannon will be 5-B regardless so the Supers will scale to half that 5-B value
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With the 25000 miles being the blast radius I wouldn't be remotely surprised if the eclipse canon was 5-A with the supers being 5-B+ or something like that.
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I heard there's difficulty in trying to apply that explosion radius in a calculable fashion, so I think half of baseline 5-B is what we're getting.
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Is the Eclipse Cannon ever stated to be able to overcome the Earth's G.B.E outside of the blast radius statement?
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I'm pretty sure Gerald said everything up to the Eclipse Cannon would be obliterated which kind of suggests a death star type scenario
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Not from what I've gotten after going to a few other CGMs and trying some methods on my own so Just 5-B I fear.
I hate repeating myself multiple times but short answer yes
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That would only work if a planet was destroyed at the edge of the radius due to inverse square law. However we could use the 25k miles for distance debris was launched and apply KE. Only problem with that is we don’t have a timeframe for the explosion itself, making KE pretty much useless.
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Using vfragmentation isn’t as impressive as GBE.Come on guys there's no way it's just baseline 5-B
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Using the moon can probably give good results tho.
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In fairness: going from higher in 6-C to baseline 5-B is a pretty significant increase in power. And base characters becoming 5-C (if that's still the intent) is also pretty good.Come on guys there's no way it's just baseline 5-B
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Indeed its a big incrase and yes 5-C is still the intent
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Not a real black hole sadly
ShakeResounding
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Yeah but I’m thinking it’s something like Ribrianne’s “black hole” in Dragon Ball
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