Sonic has to fight another Goddess| Sonic The Hedgehog vs Kuromueina |0-0-0

[Brogeefrong]

Rematch haha, lets begin
Ultra Sonic is being used
Kuromueina in her Former True Form is used
Both are 1-C (7D)
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place Green Hill Zone
Votes
Sonic Hedgehog:0
idk apparently king of the underworld:0
there is no winner:0

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Epilogue GG??

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't think theres anything that Sonic can do here because of epilogue, It can negate Sonic's low godly regen

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Tbh, This might be a stomp

 

[Brogeefrong]

I don't think theres anything that Sonic can do here because of epilogue, It can negate Sonic's low godly regen

Sonic has layered cm type 1

 

[Everything12]

Pretty sure The Epilogue and its passives are at least 8-D.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And she has Immo type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 and 9 plus and mid godly regen

 

[Brogeefrong]

Pretty sure The Epilogue and its passives are at least 8-D.

on profile all of is said to be either 5d possibly 7d or 1-C possibly 1-A, and all profile stuff i found is either 5, 6 or 7d

 

[Brogeefrong]

And she has Immo type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 and 9 plus and mid godly regen

Mid godly aint a problem with cm, and id need to check how the type 9 immo is

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Type 8 immortality would negate cm type 1 too

 

[XxZetsuxX]

She also has power null with 4 layers (I don't know how that works though)

 

[Everything12]

on profile all of is said to be either 5d possibly 7d or 1-C possibly 1-A, and all profile stuff i found is either 5, 6 or 7d

The Epilogue is above everything else in the verse on a qualitative level, including Shallow Vernal herself and all the other 7D characters. Which means even if she and all her other abilities are 7D, the Epilogue is still at least 8D.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Thr Epilogue is above every else in the verse on a qualitative level, including Shallow Vernal herself and all the other 7D characters. Which means if she and all her other abilities are 7D, then the Epilogue is 8D.

This is a stomp then

 

[ShakeResounding]

Type 8 immortality would negate cm type 1 too

Type 8 is susceptible to Conceptual Manipulation on case-by-case

But yes, 8-D Epilogue = stomp

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Type 8 is susceptible to Conceptual Manipulation on case-by-case

How?

If you get erased conceptually and you have immo type 8

Wouldn't the thing or person still revive you as long it isn't destroyed?

 

[Everything12]

How?

If you get erased conceptually and you have immo type 8

Wouldn't the thing or person still revive you as long it isn't destroyed?

Depends, they might not have the means to reconstruct something that has had its concept destroyed.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Depends, they might not have the means to reconstruct something that has had its concept destroyed.

Ah, That makes sense, Thanks for explaining it to me

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Shouldn't this be closed then?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Sonic’s FateHax reaches 8-D, possibly 9-D now

 

[Everything12]

Last I checked, his Fate hax was repeatedly stated to be 5D before the upgrade, and Deadline was still a thing then, so has their been any thread to upgrade his Fate hax to that level? With 4th Wall Sonic being an entity separate to the Sonic in the actual comics from my understanding.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Last I checked, his Fate hax was repeatedly stated to be 5D before the upgrade

This is when we were ignoring Off Panel.

Deadline was still a thing then

His profile was created after FateHax’s potency was debated.

so has their been any thread to upgrade his Fate hax to that level?

We’ve never given FateHax a on-profile dimensional tier (I don’t think). And basically, the only way to measure FateHax is to look at all of Sonic’s victories that happen in his presence, as that’s the criteria laid out by Mammoth Mogul and Eggman.

With 4th Wall Sonic being an entity separate to the Sonic in the actual comics from my understanding.

Not really…? It’s hard to explain, because technically Off Panel Sonic and Mainline Sonic were the same character during the Gag era. After Endgame, they unexplainable split into two different beings by Archie’s staff. Sonic’s Archie 4th Wall state spent the rest of its time in Off Panel, hanging out with the Staff’s avatars.

But early Off Panel Sonic’s character is basically the same as he was during the gag era and matured at the same rate as mainline Sonic. The main difference is that Off Panel Sonic is consistently happier than mainline Sonic.

 

[Everything12]

This is when we were ignoring Off Panel.


His profile was created after FateHax’s potency was debated


We’ve never given FateHax a on-profile dimensional tier (I don’t think). And basically, the only way to measure FateHax is to look at all of Sonic’s victories that happen in his presence, as that’s the criteria laid out by Mammoth Mogul and Eggman.


Not really…? It’s hard to explain, because technically Off Panel Sonic and Mainline Sonic were the same character during the Gag era. After Endgame, they unexplainable split into two different beings by Archie’s staff. Sonic’s Archie 4th state spent the rest of its time in Off Panel, hanging out with the Staff’s avatars.

But early Off Panel Sonic’s character is basically the same as he was during the gag era and matured at the same rate as mainline Sonic.

And has their been any actual CRT discussing and been accepted to change it so that the Fate Hax scales to this level. As I don't think I saw anything like that in the upgrade thread itself, and you can't just alter this without an actual thread regardless of if their was a big cosmology alteration and change in fans view on the topic.

 

[ElixirBlue]

There isn’t a change when discussing how FateHax works. This is how we’ve been debating with it since 2019. It’s any victory that happens in Sonic’s presence, as the immortal, godkiller Mammoth Mogul blamed Sonic for losing his own godhood when Sonic didn’t do anything but just be there.

 

[Everything12]

Nope, scaling to a 8D character when it previously only scaled to 7D is a pretty bit change and requires a CRT, regardless the basic logic of how it operates being unchanged. Especially as, as you stated above, the connection to Sonic in the actual comics and Off Panel Sonic is complicated and no other connection between Sonic and his Fate Hax and Deadline existing beyond that.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Should i yeet the epilouge then

 

[Everything12]

You can't, not without turning this into a F&G match. It's not something that can be restricted, as it a passive component of her character.

 

[Brogeefrong]

You can't, not without turning this into a F&G match. It's not something that can be restricted, as it a passive component of her character.

even when they arent the same key?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ye

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You can't, not without turning this into a F&G match. It's not something that can be restricted, as it a passive component of her character.

Anything that boosts your tier is restrictable, no?

 

[Everything12]

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even when they arent the same key?

Low 1-C, possibly 1-C, 1-C, possibly 1-A with The Epilogue | 1-C, possibly 1-A

This is the Epilogue and is 8D.

Low 1-C, possibly 1-C, 1-C, possibly 1-A with The Epilogue | 1-C, possibly 1-A

This is an ability in the same key, but has a tier different from her regular power, but as it is passive it can't be restricted.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is the Epilogue and is 8D.

This is an ability in the same key, but has a tier different from her regular power, but as it is passive it can't be restricted.

Ah, I see, Thanks for explaining once again

 

[Brogeefrong]

This is the Epilogue and is 8D.

This is an ability in the same key, but has a tier different from her regular power, but as it is passive it can't be restricted.

well that stinks
me just change character who dont have epilouge!

 

[ElixirBlue]

Nope, scaling to a 8D character when it previously only scaled to 7D is a pretty bit change and requires a CRT, regardless the basic logic of how it operates being unchanged. Especially as, as you stated above, the connection to Sonic in the actual comics and Off Panel Sonic is complicated and no other connection between Sonic and his Fate Hax and Deadline existing beyond that.

Thats fair. I'm just informing that this match was made too early.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Thats fair. I'm just informing that this match was made too early.

ur telling me 8d cf is coming?

 

[ElixirBlue]

ur telling me 8d cf is coming?

Eventually. There are other things to take care of first. Can't build a castle without building a base.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Anyways sonic apparently resist a shit load of layers of powernull so he's fine dealing with the 4 layers

 

[Noneless21]

First of all, even if you do restrict the Epilogue, Shallow Vernal still stomp since both her and the Epilogue is a separate entity, anything happened to her won't be an issue and the Epilogue will still take effect

Second of all, if you change it to Kuro, then it's a stomp for Sonic if he has 8 possibly 9 dimensional hax, if not then imma need some layers of hax he got

 

[Brogeefrong]

First of all, even if you do restrict the Epilogue, Shallow Vernal still stomp since both her and the Epilogue is a separate entity, anything happened to her won't be an issue and the Epilogue will still take effect

Second of all, if you change it to Kuro, then it's a stomp for Sonic if he has 8 possibly 9 dimensional hax, if not then imma need some layers of hax he got

Sanic dont have 8D/Possibly 9D Stuff
hax he's a shit load of layers on (apparently)

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[Noneless21]

Sanic dont have 8D/Possibly 9D Stuff
hax he's a shit load of layers on (apparently)

Chaos Energy (Archie Comics)

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It isn't given any concrete number or any reasoning as to why there are layers of haxes, can you explain it a bit further?

 

[Brogeefrong]

It isn't given any concrete number or any reasoning as to why there are layers of haxes, can you explain it a bit further?

what i got from a reply i asked for

• A single Power Ring can block out & negate the Iron Queen's Technology/Corruption/Mind hax
• However When the Iron Queen boosted her capabilities with 2 Power Rings, she could control Monkey Khan despite him wearing his Power Ring crown which should grant him protection, meaning that the potency of 2 Power Rings > Resistance granted by 1
• The exact amount of Power Rings needed to nearly overcome a Pre-Harmony Chaos Emerald is unknown but enough to cover the Death Egg
• Enerjak was brough forth by 11 Chaos Emeralds, then Master Mogul absorbs the energy of Enerjak + his own Chaos Emerald, gets Master Mogul to 12 Chaos Emerald then eventually 14 when he integrates a further 2 into himself, commenting how the limitless power of 14 Emerald would dwarf that of 12
• This is further boosted to an unfathomable level with the commencement of the Great Harmony where every Chaos Emerald in the universe was gathered, sealed into the Zone of Silence and eventually reshaped into an even greater set of seven by Feist, of which there were at bare minimum hundreds of thousands of them in the galaxy alone.