Sonic gets revenge for Illumina

[MYHERO]

Ainchase Ishmael vs Sonic the Hedgehog

-SBA

-Speed Equalized

-Ultra Sonic

-Herrscher Ainchase

Sonic: 2 (ShadowWarrior1999, ShakeResounding)

Ainchase: 2 (XDragnoir, ZacharyGrossman273)

 

[MYHERO]

For anyone that is coming here with the intent to debate

**** you for not doing the same in the Goku vs Sonic match I made

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Why that title though?

Anyways according to the Elsword experts on here, Ain has passive conceptual erasure. Safe to say this is no issue for Sonic as he resists it. AFAIK, Ain is only baseline 2-A. Sonic says "delet this" and nukes his concept.

 

[MYHERO]

Bump because Cal said it is alright

 

[XDragnoir]

How good are Sonic's resistences against EE and Concept Manip? Ain passively destroys all creation (time, space, concepts, etc.) on a 2A scale, on the defensive side, he has an "type 8 immortality" since to destroy he you have to destroy the Henir Realm, which is infinite in size and also is nonexistent, he also should have type 3 acausality via being omnipresent in a 2A scale.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Ain for Drag's reasons

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He tanked the SGW and can resist Enerjak's reality manipulative abilities.

The nonexistence is only type 1 which is meaningless against a guy with type 2 conceptual manipulation.

 

[XDragnoir]

Ain is clearly a nonexistent of type 2, he is the emptiness itself that is beyond all creation, and also present at the end and beginning of everything.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Schro said he's only type 1. If you want type 2 then make a CRT for it.

 

[MYHERO]

Shro as in Matthew right?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

SchroKratz.

 

[MYHERO]

Oh.

 

[MYHERO]

Should we hold off on this match as of right now?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No reason to.

I'm not seeing anything that would indicate type 2 nonexistent either. He is a type 1 abstract that embodies Chaos and Entropy, type 2s lack a concept.

 

[ShakeResounding]

If that's the case, Sonic for Shadow's reasons.

Sonic has a ridiculous AP advantage here to take what Ainchase can give out, alongside resistance to EE and Conceptual Manip plus Type 8. The moment Sonic realizes his attacks aren't working and he won't stay dead is the moment he proceeds to go Ultra Instinct give the Multiverse a hard reboot.

 

[XDragnoir]

Sure, Sonic has the AP advantage, but how does this help to pass from type 1, 3 (and 4?), And Soninc has already interacted with nonexistent beings (of any type)? And Sonic's type 8 immortality is useless here.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Type 2 conceptual manipulation takes care of all of those.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ain easily. Sonic's resistances aren't up to snuff. Conceptual is maybe, but not existence erasure.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah an existence erasure that erases concepts.

Which Sonic tanked from the SGW.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a reason there's Pre-SGW and Post-SGW Sonic. And that's because it did reset him.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It was Sonic's own Chaos Control that Eggman messed up, not the SGW.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sonic's own Chaos Control is < the SGW if the lore has anything to say about it.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Not really, and the comic shows that's not the case considering Sonic was unaffected by the SGW.

 

[ShakeResounding]

The SGW is an amped version of the Genesis Wave using the seven Chaos Emeralds. Nothing implies that the SGW is superior to Sonic's Charged Chaos Control, as both result in what Eggman was trying to do. The difference lies in Sonic wanting to return things to normal, and Eggman trying to make himself a god. They're, at worst, on comparable or even footing.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Amped version of the seven Chaos Emeralds

Sonic is powered by the seven Chaos Emeralds

Do the math.

 

[ShakeResounding]

You misunderstood.

There is no amped version of the Seven Chaos Emeralds. The Super Genesis Wave is the thing that's being amped. Hence the Super Genesis Wave, while the Genesis Wave is using one Emerald.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

A Genesis Wave uses just one Chaos Emerald. The Super Genesis Wave uses all 7.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Also, I doubt Sonic would reboot the universe to win a fight.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Rebooting the multiverse isn't killing everything in said multiverse. It's as simple as him destroying one thing and everyone that's made up of solely that one thing (A.K.A the Chaos Force). That's why everybody lived except beings that were one with the Chaos Force, such as Enerjak and Aurora.

He reboot the multiverse, but that didn't mean all his friends died in the process of it. There would be no collateral damage if he's taking out one being. The only reason there was any in-canon was due to Eggman interrupting him.

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean he destroyed all the other universes (except the Sol Dimension due to The Power of the Stars) that isn't his own one

 

[ShakeResounding]

That was due to Eggman messing him up in the process, giving a failed result that wasn't Sonic's intention. That's what caused the Post-SGW reality in the first place.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I mean he destroyed all the other universes (except the Sol Dimension due to The Power of the Stars) that isn't his own one

Minor correction, Jeweled Scepter.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Didn't he do that with Mega Man's help?

 

[ShakeResounding]

No. Both targeted their own.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I wish I could read all the articles, but I don't have time...

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Shadow Could you get the scans? I'm about to take an exam.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, I meant I just want to read them. Not asking for scans.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Ah, gotcha

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I meant I just want to read them. Not asking for scans.