Sonic gets revenge for Illumina

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well yeah, I said Sonic resists 2-A mindhax because Enerjak is a 2-A. If you're referring to D&D style mindhaxing 4D beings across an infinite multiverse then no, it's not on that level.

Ain though, never mindhaxed another 2-A AFAIK and I have no reason to believe it's better than Enerjak's.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I don't know what Ain does so for now I believe you.

 

[SomebodyData]

Then its not 2-A mindhax, just 4-D mind hax.

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Data That's what needs to happen to have it labeled as 2-A mind hax? I genuinely had no idea.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yep, I guess because it gets thrown around so often, the original meaning might have been lost to some.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Hm... Good to know. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[MYHERO]

I thought 2-A mindhax wasn't even a thing :/

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Sure, maybe I could have said "he resists mindhax from a 2-A" though that's kinda getting into semantics.

What Data is thinking of is mindhaxing 4D beings with 2-A range, like in D&D.

 

[SomebodyData]

No, I mean like literally mindhaxxing an entire infinite multiverse or a being whose awareness is on that scale. (Usually the later)

Unless by range you mean haxing the entire multiverse at once, kinda gets complicated when there exists the possibility that you have 2-A range but terrible mind hax.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well then, by using awareness as a measuring stick, Enerjak's mindhax is better than Ain's since True Enerjak is omnipresent across a bigger cosmology.

Yeah, if you're mindhaxing 3D beings with 2-A range then that's still not as good as mindhaxing a single 4D being.

Putting mindhax on the side, any opinion on this match @Data?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's the inverse that quantifies the mindhax. It doesn't matter the awareness of the user but of the victim.

 

[SomebodyData]

Cal speaketh truth

I dunno bout the match, just saw 2-A mindhax and decided to enter, maybe I'll make up my mind once others also comment.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Even if we disregard a lot of this match, the Holy Manipulation is gonna be a hindrance for Ain to deal with when it's gonna continuously weaken him.

 

[DMB_1]

There is no such thing as a "2-A mind-hax". Just a mind manipulation (degree of which can vary) with 2-A range.

 

[MYHERO]

Bump

 

[MYHERO]

bump

 

[MYHERO]

Bump

 

[XDragnoir]

If I understood correctly, the arguments for Sonic are: higher AP, EE resistance, and the ability to erase concepts from existence? What concepts can he erase?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He erased the Chaos Force and Illumina.

 

[XDragnoir]

Chaos Force = nonexistence?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Ain isn't nonexistent to the point of lacking a type 2 concept, rather he is one so Sonic can affect him just fine.

 

[XDragnoir]

was not that what I asked, and anyway, if Sonic never altered the concept of non-existence then this power is useless here, it is said in the page of conceptual manipulation that the user can only affect the concepts he was shown to affect.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Actually no. If your conceptual manipulation can destroy abstract entities, it will work just fine here and Ain has no resistance to it.

 

[ShakeResounding]

There's still no answer for passive Holy Manip regardless, and that puts Sonic at a good advantage here.