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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

The re-write is weird because it's just normal Gens but now with Flynnisms and bad re-dubbing instead of the nothing it used to be.
 
I really don't like some of Sonic's line reads. I don't feel they sound good, myself.

Some people could justify this by explaining how Ian Flynn is actually Roger Craig Smith in disguise though or some shit, i guess
 
The one cutscene I've seen of Tails, he sounded nice. But, Sonic doesn't, for some reason. It may partially be me preferring the seemingly deeper, less constant energy direction of Sonic's voice in Frontiers, but even besides that, the ways the some lines are said just aren't sitting well, unfortunately.
 
So not only did they rewrite some of the dialogue in Sonic Generations, they actually went a step further and reanimated some scenes.

As an example: you guys know the scene where Sonic is holding back Amy while talking to Tails? Well, in this game, the scene has Amy just holding a plate of cupcakes while Sonic is talking to Tails.
 
LukeChaosBlobz said:
They seemed to off obliterated her obsession with Sonic in Amy's character profile and brought up her Fortune Cards again. Some Amy fans might not like that lol
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Seriously......what Obsession? It was only there for like, 1 game......why does everyone wants to keep that flanderized aspect in her?
 
MysticMania said:
The one cutscene I've seen of Tails, he sounded nice. But, Sonic doesn't, for some reason. It may partially be me preferring the seemingly deeper, less constant energy direction of Sonic's voice in Frontiers, but even besides that, the ways the some lines are said just aren't sitting well, unfortunately.
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Every tone for Modern Roger Sonic, after Frotiers fave us peak, sounds bad
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
So not only did they rewrite some of the dialogue in Sonic Generations, they actually went a step further and reanimated some scenes.

As an example: you guys know the scene where Sonic is holding back Amy while talking to Tails? Well, in this game, the scene has Amy just holding a plate of cupcakes while Sonic is talking to Tails.
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this is a good chance
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
So not only did they rewrite some of the dialogue in Sonic Generations, they actually went a step further and reanimated some scenes.

As an example: you guys know the scene where Sonic is holding back Amy while talking to Tails? Well, in this game, the scene has Amy just holding a plate of cupcakes while Sonic is talking to Tails.
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This is so ASS.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
So not only did they rewrite some of the dialogue in Sonic Generations, they actually went a step further and reanimated some scenes.

As an example: you guys know the scene where Sonic is holding back Amy while talking to Tails? Well, in this game, the scene has Amy just holding a plate of cupcakes while Sonic is talking to Tails.
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Huh, I know a lot of Amy fans (Well, spefically the super hardcore SonAmy shippers) were mad about the original because Sonic holding her back was apparently too mean spirited so I guess Sonic Team caved into their complaints? I don't care about the other changes I've seen and heard about, my only real complaint is that Sonic Team didn't bother changing the animations for most of the rewrites so it comes off as clunkly, but this one is bizzare because the original was just a gag about Sonic stopping Amy from hugging him.
 
Peptocoptr27 said:
We must have different definitions of the word then, and/or different interpretations of the games' events
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At most we have stuff like, Heroes where she makes a comeback joke from the one she made to Sonic in Adventure 2.........outside of that, only Battle is she obssesed........i legit believe this "obssession" thing with Amy is a Mandela effect
 
I dunno why it’s so hard for Ian or SEGA to get that Amy having an obsession for Sonic wasn’t a problem, it was the fact that some games portrayed it in an almost stalker type way. Now Amy is just a generic girl with almost no personality beyond being nice and helpful
 
I do adore the voice acting of Sonic Frontiers. I feel it has some of the best voice acting in the franchise so far, personally.
My only issue with it at all, is that I do think Knuckles sounds better in the Frontiers Prologue than the game itself, but that's nothing to "blame" on the voice actor.
 
Oh also got spoiled on the final boss for the Shadow stuff because Sonic fans on twitter love to just post that shit for all to see, which sucked but hey spoilers below that I will actually spoiler tag unlike users on muskrats app:

Yeah it's peak, Devil Doom is the final boss and even has a extra form (Not too different tbh) called Neo Devil Doom and base Shadow beats him. All Hail Shadow plays when Shadow starts winning and Shadow actually seems to break through Dooms Chaos Control at the very end of the fight. Unfortuently, and I'm not entirely sure, but it does seem to be implied Shadow loses his new powers after murking doom? It's never explictly said so that's why I'm unsure but after Doom is killed Shadow goes back to White Space and suddenly gets a headache with a weird echo effect as his wings suddenly, seemingly involuntarily, disappear.

Also damn the ending tugged at my heart strings. It's kinda going for the same thing Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 did but it's handled way better here imo (Helped by the fact that what I've seen of the game is miles better than Shadow 05)
 
Dust_Collector said:
Oh also got spoiled on the final boss for the Shadow stuff because Sonic fans on twitter love to just post that shit for all to see, which sucked but hey spoilers below that I will actually spoiler tag unlike users on muskrats app:

Yeah it's peak, Devil Doom is the final boss and even has a extra form (Not too different tbh) called Neo Devil Doom and base Shadow beats him. All Hail Shadow plays when Shadow starts winning and Shadow actually seems to break through Dooms Chaos Control at the very end of the fight. Unfortuently, and I'm not entirely sure, but it does seem to be implied Shadow loses his new powers after murking doom? It's never explictly said so that's why I'm unsure but after Doom is killed Shadow goes back to White Space and suddenly gets a headache with a weird echo effect as his wings suddenly, seemingly involuntarily, disappear.

Also damn the ending tugged at my heart strings. It's kinda going for the same thing Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 did but it's handled way better here imo (Helped by the fact that what I've seen of the game is miles better than Shadow 05)
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It’s not base Shadow. Once Shadow completes his Doom Powers after getting Doom Wing, it's implied he achieves a pseudo super form.
 
Roger’s voice in Frontiers isn’t really consistent, he does the deep voice thing in the beginning and then sounds more like he did in prior games as he gets more corrupted, feels like it should be reversed
 
Dust_Collector said:
Oh also got spoiled on the final boss for the Shadow stuff because Sonic fans on twitter love to just post that shit for all to see, which sucked but hey spoilers below that I will actually spoiler tag unlike users on muskrats app:

Yeah it's peak, Devil Doom is the final boss and even has a extra form (Not too different tbh) called Neo Devil Doom and base Shadow beats him. All Hail Shadow plays when Shadow starts winning and Shadow actually seems to break through Dooms Chaos Control at the very end of the fight. Unfortuently, and I'm not entirely sure, but it does seem to be implied Shadow loses his new powers after murking doom? It's never explictly said so that's why I'm unsure but after Doom is killed Shadow goes back to White Space and suddenly gets a headache with a weird echo effect as his wings suddenly, seemingly involuntarily, disappear.

Also damn the ending tugged at my heart strings. It's kinda going for the same thing Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 did but it's handled way better here imo (Helped by the fact that what I've seen of the game is miles better than Shadow 05)
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Well it looks like base Sonic characters weren't nerfed after all.
 
So bad news, gentlemen: there is no Shadow vs Sonic battle from Shadow's perspective. But there is two things that I noticed.

The cutscene where they fight implies that Shadow can use his Doom Powers still, but he didn't use them because he wanted Sonic on "equal terms" or so he explains to Rogue when she asks how he lost to Sonic. And, most interestingly enough, the Chaos Emerald Sonic got from Shadow was actually a fake Emerald which Shadow swiped for Sonic to gnab while he kept the real one.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
So bad news, gentlemen: there is no Shadow vs Sonic battle from Shadow's perspective. But there is two things that I noticed.

The cutscene where they fight implies that Shadow can use his Doom Powers still, but he didn't use them because he wanted Sonic on "equal terms" or so he explains to Rogue when she asks how he lost to Sonic. And, most interestingly enough, the Chaos Emerald Sonic got from Shadow was actually a fake Emerald which Shadow swiped for Sonic to gnab while he kept the real one.
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1) That's interesting, because from what I've seen and heard about the cutscene has been the implication that Shadow had to RESIST using his powers, which ending up giving Sonic that victory.

2) Wait, what? Didn't the Fake Emerald cause problems in SA2? ALSO, this implies that Fake Emeralds can be used perfectly fine in conjunction with the rest without causing issues, which is absolutely crazy to me.
 
RedReaper616 said:
1) That's interesting, because from what I've seen and heard about the cutscene has been the implication that Shadow had to RESIST using his powers, which ending up giving Sonic that victory.

2) Wait, what? Didn't the Fake Emerald cause problems in SA2? ALSO, this implies that Fake Emeralds can be used perfectly fine in conjunction with the rest without causing issues, which is absolutely crazy to me.
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Rouge is supposed to switch the fake emerald for the real one without Sonic knowing (stealth mastery feat for her btw).
 
RedReaper616 said:
1) That's interesting, because from what I've seen and heard about the cutscene has been the implication that Shadow had to RESIST using his powers, which ending up giving Sonic that victory.

2) Wait, what? Didn't the Fake Emerald cause problems in SA2? ALSO, this implies that Fake Emeralds can be used perfectly fine in conjunction with the rest without causing issues, which is absolutely crazy to me.
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1. Yeah, but this happens before the ending of Shadow Generations. The game seems to end with Shadow not having access to his Doom Powers, or at the very least the fight against Black Doom made him tired and he was forcefully expelled out of his Doom Wings form.

2. That's right. Though Rouge ends up swapping the fake emerald for the real emerald after Shadow beats Black Doom so it's a moot point.
 
JJSliderman said:
I dunno why it’s so hard for Ian or SEGA to get that Amy having an obsession for Sonic wasn’t a problem, it was the fact that some games portrayed it in an almost stalker type way. Now Amy is just a generic girl with almost no personality beyond being nice and helpful
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there wasn't ever any obsession, Amy in IDW and Frontiers for example resembles adventure 1 and 2 Amy far more than, say, Battle Amy ever did.........also, no, THERE WASN'T EVER ANY OBSESSION, Amy nowadays isn't "generic", she is the embodiment of the tradicional Good in contrast to Sonic's edge approach to it........AS SHE ALWAYS WAS, seriously, show me in anyway how is the "marry me or i will hurt you physically" Amy we had in Sonic Battle ANYTHING BETTER than the one we had in Adventure 1&2 and that waa brought back in recent times
 
Theuser789 said:
It’s not base Shadow. Once Shadow completes his Doom Powers after getting Doom Wing, it's implied he achieves a pseudo super form.
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each doom power he collects makes him stronger.....so no scalling issues to 1-C via Metal Overlord......Shadow will get a "Doom Powers" Key tho
 
https://twitter.com/Loopyyylupe/status/1847685762193453338
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So I'm two levels into this game and I just want to say that Shadow Generations is a solid 9/10 for me. Not only is it so fun to mess around with Chaos Control and Shadow's brand new Doom Powers, but the length of these levels are so ******* good...like it just keeps going on and on and on, and there's so many paths you can take through platforming or using your powers.

But y'all want to hear some power scaling shit (because vs brain rot) infects us all and there's four interesting things I've observed this far:

1. Omega refers to White Space as being a spade without any time in it. Nothing too special, but still pretty neat that we're getting statements still.

2. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Shadow, similar to Sonic, has that ability where he's restoring the time of the levels through speeding through them. So it's nice to see SEGA showing that Shadow can do very similar stuff to Sonic.

3. Shadow finds the fake Chaos Emerald that Tails made during SA2 and makes an interesting statement where he says that even has a hard time telling apart the fake and real Emeralds. Of course this could be him talking about them looking completely identical, but it'd be interesting if it meant that even fake Chaos Emeralds aren't far removed from the real deal.

And 4. Black Doom can dead ass nullify Chaos Control. I'm not even kidding, those sections where Doom's Eye is ******* with the geometry and dimensions of the stages lock Shadow out of using Chaos Control during said sections.

So there's plenty of beefy stuff already, and I haven't even gotten past two stages so that's pretty cool./SPOILER]
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
1. Omega refers to White Space as being a spade without any time in it. Nothing too special, but still pretty neat that we're getting statements still.
/SPOILER]
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IPlaying the Sonic Generations part yet, Ian rewrote the Time Eater scene, now saying that "It sucks out the dimensional energy, leaving only a white lifeless void" or something like that. Honestly, I wonder why even change what was before lol I understand the one he did making Sonic call out Sonic CD wondering how they could time travel without the Time Stones. I guess he doesn't remember Sonic 06 this time, or maybe his memories are restored only after restoring its space-time./SPOILER]
 
Executor_N0 said:
IPlaying the Sonic Generations part yet, Ian rewrote the Time Eater scene, now saying that "It sucks out the dimensional energy, leaving only a white lifeless void" or something like that. Honestly, I wonder why even change what was before lol I understand the one he did making Sonic call out Sonic CD wondering how they could time travel without the Time Stones. I guess he doesn't remember Sonic 06 this time, or maybe his memories are restored only after restoring its space-time./SPOILER]
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By the Time Eater scene, are you referring to when Eggman explains how he found the Time Eater or when Tails explains what it does? Because knowing Ian Flynn: he's going to unknowingly write something that retroactively bumps the events of the game.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
By the Time Eater scene, are you referring to when Eggman explains how he found the Time Eater or when Tails explains what it does? Because knowing Ian Flynn: he's going to unknowingly write something that retroactively bumps the events of the game.
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He made Time Eater blatantly immeasurable by stating it can "move through the dimension of time", so yeah. Blatant evidence.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
By the Time Eater scene, are you referring to when Eggman explains how he found the Time Eater or when Tails explains what it does? Because knowing Ian Flynn: he's going to unknowingly write something that retroactively bumps the events of the game.
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The Tails one, here the screenshots. Isn't much different, so I even wonder why he changed to say "dimensional energy"
 
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