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how do you know this? what is the evidence for such affirmationI mean if we go back to the klepto mobile example, it was able to keep up with super sonic despite being a busted up Eggmobile that was fighting base Sonic prior, and the only thing Eggman did was add arms he cobbled together in 5 minutes.
which one is the upgraded version of the Eggmobile, the other is notSo we have a machine that is effectively fighting both base and super form level entities
which doesn't matter here, as it doesn't prove anythingbase Eggman already scales in speed without machines to base form stuff
......the fact that it is keeping up with Super Forms level foes shows a change in speed, his machine when barely anything changed about it (and visibly nothing changed in terms of speed)
the Kleptomobile is Eggman altering his Eggmobile with....something, we have no details of its creation, we don't know HOW he made it, the point you are arguing also would make Base Chars scale in power which.....no, all in all we have nothing in detail about the Kleptomobile for anything scaling wise for base formskept up with super form level stuff, I think there’s a scaling chain there.
no because Wivern has nothing to do with any machine Eggman built, and you also ignore all the times Super Forms level foes completely blitzed base forms(Time Eater, Giganto, Super Neo Metal, etc) so noThese points are meant to coalesce together into the general idea of base forms downscaling super form speed so, I think they are relevant.
Yet he also outruns multiple energy shots from Time Eater in that same cutscene
doesn't matter, Eggman explained whyin the final blow where he is overpowered he is also blitzed, he litterally can't react as TE attacks him, with Eggman even saying he was holding back with the TE
nope, he was on the ground, and he was already in the air and homing attacking when TE hit him, so it’s not really a blitz.
you ignored the entire point of "machine inside = boost in speed for the one inside" that is a thing that happened in the series, by proxy it happens again to explain Eggman final bosses machines, meanwhile Eggman himself being Super Form level in speed is supported by nothing reallyDiablon is one instance in the adventure era, it doesn’t contradict the idea that Eggman got faster as the eras progressed (hell he didn’t do any kind of blitzing at all in his base form prior to the modern era so that’s proof he got faster).
an example i gave, we don't know HOW, that is the pointMoreover, if he just had this sort of device available to reach super sonic speed
no, Sonic cassually destroying his ship is no proof of scaling, you are reaching hard nowWe even see that his eggmobile can briefly outpace Super Sonic in Unleashed
congrats for him? "he can avoid stuff while piloting it" so what?and he can pilot the Eggmobile to avoid hazards
considering all the other examples that outpaced those 2 instances i would say you areI think you’re using the term outlier wrong, isn’t the Giganto instance the outlier if it’s 2 vs 1.
two situations not related to the scene in questions does not provide your theory about it, come on hear yourself, you are saying Base Sonic is so fast that Giganto can't react to him at all even after multiple attacks? when Giganto blitz imediatly afterwards? when Giganto can keep up with Super Sonic no problem? Base Sonic >>>> Super Sonic??????I can tell it’s via speed because he also outspeeds other Titans throughout the game
which are contradicted by many situations that i already listedand in this case it’s very clearly with speed because you’re thrown into segments where you’re required to outrun the Titan to proceed.
he didn't, at all, Metal was joking with them and they couldn't react to him at all, unless when he was joking with them to allow it suchSure, I guess in IDW the speed gap is more highlighted, but even then base Sonic still managed to somewhat keep up with super Metal (albeit barely)
which doesn't work as they don't scale to him in any capacity whatsoever, which like…I was talking about downscaling anyway.