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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers



God, I really wish that Shadow's Doom Powers didn't disappear just as quickly as they were introduced. Having them be a part of Shadow's tool kit would've been interesting, but I guess Shadow Generations' placement in the timeline would've raised questions as to why Shadow never used them again.

But who knows? Maybe they could be reintroduced in a future title, I sure hope so
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:


God, I really wish that Shadow's Doom Powers didn't disappear just as quickly as they were introduced. Having them be a part of Shadow's tool kit would've been interesting, but I guess Shadow Generations' placement in the timeline would've raised questions as to why Shadow never used them again.

But who knows? Maybe they could be reintroduced in a future title, I sure hope so
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I guess you gotta rely on speed simulator for that.
 
Starfall Island Super Sonic should be able to keep up with and flat out beat beings up Temporal Omniprescence like Solaris permanently on his own after all of the the speed and attack potency buffs that Super Sonic has had in games after 06 on top of the already massive speed and attack potency buffs that Starfall Super Sonic has as well.

Does anyone here agree or disagree with that statement?
 
FaceOff81 said:
Starfall Island Super Sonic should be able to keep up with and flat out beat beings up Temporal Omniprescence like Solaris permanently on his own after all of the the speed and attack potency buffs that Super Sonic has had in games after 06 on top of the already massive speed and attack potency buffs that Starfall Super Sonic has as well.

Does anyone here agree or disagree with that statement?
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He would've been able to do that on his own with regular Super Sonic BEFORE. Solaris got mega power-crept and people just don't want to believe it these days.
 
Super Sonic has the range to revert the damage the Time Eater unleashed upon all of time and space, so current Super Sonic can just one-shot Solaris into oblivion
 
Chianli said:
I still cant believe some people still consider that Arin "egoraptor" Hanson is a "Huge Fanbiy" of sonic, all he has done is play bad ports & be terrible (might be DSP-levels of bad.) on the good ones, good thing he is salty about not being the embassador or sum.
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The only people who say that are non-fans like Arin himself.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Funnily enough, Black Doom messing with the timeline was my current theory due to the underlying theme in Shadow Gens of "Black Doom is trying to hijack the timeline" thing
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CHADOOM!
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ShakeResounding said:
After all, the hypertime would contain an uncountable infinite amount of snapshots that each hold a different snapshot of the multiverse
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man, what an headache
 
I miss when people didn't say "hypertime". Funny enough, I remember that a few years ago Grant Morisson noticed that DC was bringing back Hypertime, and they decided to release a post properly explaining it in fear of them getting stuff wrong, even though I doubt anyone on DC read that blog post. I can't help but think how much Vs Boards end up misinterpreting Hypertime just to find an excuse to get high tiers.

Some want so much to be 5D that I wouldn't be surprised if in the future 2-C to 2-A gets erased and everything just becomes different levels of High 2-A.
 
Executor_N0 said:
I miss when people didn't say "hypertime". Funny enough, I remember that a few years ago Grant Morisson noticed that DC was bringing back Hypertime, and they decided to release a post properly explaining it in fear of them getting stuff wrong, even though I doubt anyone on DC read that blog post. I can't help but think how much Vs Boards end up misinterpreting Hypertime just to find an excuse to get high tiers.

Some want so much to be 5D that I wouldn't be surprised if in the future 2-C to 2-A gets erased and everything just becomes different levels of High 2-A.
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I think it is a tremendous hypocrisy that VSBW says that DC is not connected because it has contradictions (ignoring that it is 90 years old, there are many writers and no story is planned from the beginning) but they let the contradictions of many other franchises pass with a "well, ignore and that's it"
 
Alexander said:
I think it is a tremendous hypocrisy that VSBW says that DC is not connected because it has contradictions (ignoring that it is 90 years old, there are many writers and no story is planned from the beginning) but they let the contradictions of many other franchises pass with a "well, ignore and that's it"
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In a way, it's. However, double-standards aren't against the law as far as I know, so it's a consequence that just needs to be dealt with over time, as it's basically impossible to make a decision regarding such franchises without having at least a bit of double-standards, due to how contradictory certain franchises are.

Like, works like Final Crisis were made with the intent of being a culmination and solution for decades of contradictions, an all-encompassing story, that yet had to make a choice of both addressing and not addressing contradictions from other works, because DC was giving away chances of writing for that saga with almost no communication or preparation with the main book. So even if it somehow goes against the core themes of the book, there's some double standard there as well.

Changing the theme for Sonic, since this is a Sonic thread, the franchise is also full of double standards. There are a lot of contradictory works that are still somehow a part of the main series without any major caveats, like Sonic Prime, and yet there are works that are even less contradictory, but are either non-canon or semi-canon, like Sonic Battle or Sonic Runners. Ultimately, even the Lore Group agrees that they have to take double-standards with it, some stuff will be canon because yes, other stuff can't be, and although they try to be logical as much as they can, there are times they can't be and we just have to deal with it.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Sonic riders...
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I remember long ago when I tried to use Sonic Riders Zero Gravity on this wiki, and I was told I couldn't because "It's non-canon, it just makes no sense for the mainline series to have futuristic cities like the ones there!". How things have changed...
 
Dang it a youtube short got me and now I know who its going to be in the post credit scene. So salty right now like who puts a spoiler image from the movie as the thumbnail.
 
Executor_N0 said:
I remember long ago when I tried to use Sonic Riders Zero Gravity on this wiki, and I was told I couldn't because "It's non-canon, it just makes no sense for the mainline series to have futuristic cities like the ones there!". How things have changed...
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Not to mention egghead owning a business
 
Executor_N0 said:
I remember long ago when I tried to use Sonic Riders Zero Gravity on this wiki, and I was told I couldn't because "It's non-canon, it just makes no sense for the mainline series to have futuristic cities like the ones there!". How things have changed...
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This logic never worked for me, since Shadow05 has digital worlds, and Grand Metropolis exists. High-tech cities don't make sense but whatever Music Plant and half of South Island is are okay
 
Executor_N0 said:
Changing the theme for Sonic, since this is a Sonic thread, the franchise is also full of double standards. There are a lot of contradictory works that are still somehow a part of the main series without any major caveats, like Sonic Prime, and yet there are works that are even less contradictory, but are either non-canon or semi-canon, like Sonic Battle or Sonic Runners. Ultimately, even the Lore Group agrees that they have to take double-standards with it, some stuff will be canon because yes, other stuff can't be, and although they try to be logical as much as they can, there are times they can't be and we just have to deal with it.
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The most obvious example:
Mania Adventures and the Mania DLC start at literally the same point (Sonic goes back in time, from Forces), they are totally different and contradictory to each other, but both are canon

I think even Speedpedia admits that it doesn't make sense for both of them to be canon.
 
MysticMania said:
This logic never worked for me, since Shadow05 has digital worlds, and Grand Metropolis exists. High-tech cities don't make sense but whatever Music Plant and half of South Island is are okay
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The best in universe explanation is that they're just in a different part of Sonic's world that we may never get a proper explanation on of where. It's like in Final Fantasy VIII where there's more contemporary settings in one part of the world, then a highly futuristic city in another continent. Riders probably is under similar logic.
 
ShrekAnakin said:
The best in universe explanation is that they're just in a different part of Sonic's world that we may never get a proper explanation on of where. It's like in Final Fantasy VIII where there's more contemporary settings in one part of the world, then a highly futuristic city in another continent. Riders probably is under similar logic.
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The geography of Sonic's Earth is not properly communicated to the audience

For example, IDW's lack of appearances from any human characters would confuse anyone. It certainly takes place on the same Earth, but the setting being different because of geography is inferred by the reader rather than directly implied by the comics themselves
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The geography of Sonic's Earth is not properly communicated to the audience

For example, IDW's lack of appearances from any human characters would confuse anyone. It certainly takes place on the same Earth, but the setting being different because of geography is inferred by the reader rather than directly implied by the comics themselves
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Pretty much, yeah.
 
So I decided to browse the Death Battle subreddit for the heck of it and, as I anticipated, someone tried to use the Sonic 3 DLC to argue that the Time Eater didn't destroy the cosmology since the movie verse was "unaffected" (their words, not mine, just as an FYI).

Though what's interesting is that the comments responding to it think it's ultimately meaningless if it did and didn't destroy the multiverse since the Time Eater already scales to Super Sonic to begin with.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
So I decided to browse the Death Battle subreddit for the heck of it and, as I anticipated, someone tried to use the Sonic 3 DLC to argue that the Time Eater didn't destroy the cosmology since the movie verse was "unaffected" (their words, not mine, just as an FYI).

Though what's interesting is that the comments responding to it think it's ultimately meaningless if it did and didn't destroy the multiverse since the Time Eater already scales to Super Sonic to begin with.
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Time is cyclical, if you understand it, you will know what will happen in the future
 
Actually, can anyone who's played Sonic 06 from beginning to end explain to me about this whole anchor thing regarding Solaris? Because I've never beaten 06 whatsoever and I keep hearing that argument being thrown around in battle boarding forums.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Actually, can anyone who's played Sonic 06 from beginning to end explain to me about this whole anchor thing regarding Solaris? Because I've never beaten 06 whatsoever and I keep hearing that argument being thrown around in battle boarding forums.
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It's a wonky translation which is followed by Eggman saying that shells are bounding him, which leads to needing them to be broken to be defeated, it sounds in a way that Eggman literally wants us to free his "true form", making no sense at all, but i headcanon it as Solaris being bound by 3rd Dimension and in the narrative if he isn't beaten fast enough, he will ascend to a higher one, becoming unbeatable (As he should be)
 
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