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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Omegabronic said:
no no, Gerald says that time can "heal itself" as long as some pinacle points remains, which is he explaining why the Timeline won't change from him and Maria experiencing Shadow Gens, this is explaining the Past didn't changed from Classic going to the future so many times, not anything related to the Mephiles fight
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That is not at all in the slightest the instance I'm thinking of, likely we're thinking of 2 separate talks.
 
Wait I was going through Gerald's talks in shadow generations and ge says chaos control only stops time locally


1:00 stop time locally

45 seconds he says he pioneered research on chaos control implying he should know what he's talking about

And 2:55 for the echos of past alterations (starting with you encountered an enemy you don't remember, so definitely about Mephiles)
 
Theuser789 said:
The "locally" statement is ironically contradicted by Shadow being able to stop time in White Space.
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Why? I don't understand why that counterdicts it

Well thinking on this a bit more, White Space clearly has 3 Dimensions that you can move around in, As such it should have distance for which the localized affect of CC to happen in, but I'm not sure why this means it's not localized, implications of there being no time or broken time in whitespace? But I'm not sure what the wiki's stance on that today is.
 
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Starsprite53 said:
I really don't understand, if crisis city is an alt timeline (specifically the one from generations) why it's being used as well to prove hypertimeline?
Idk why ignoring Gilard calling it an echo from a past alternation of the main timeline
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A hypertimeline is just a buzzword for a timeline that encompasses more than 4 space-time dimensions. Alternate timelines together form a hyper-timeline, as they are 4-dimensional constructs encompassed by a 5-dimensional structure.
 
Executor_N0 said:
A hypertimeline is just a buzzword for a timeline that encompasses more than 4 space-time dimensions. Alternate timelines together form a hyper-timeline, as they are 4-dimensional constructs encompassed by a 5-dimensional structure.
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I actually thought a hypertimeline was something else, nested timelines (a timeline in a timeline) and it was just accepted the greater timeline to the lower timeline had the same distance between them as dimensions (as the greater timeline as as much to the lower timeline as the lower timeline dose to a 3d universe)
 
Darkmon_cns said:
The presence of the Sol dimension already implies in any case that eggman can choose to have the time eater go ti another reality and drag it's space time to white space.
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......no, it shows that Eggman didn't limited TE's erasure to a single reality

Darkmon_cns said:
Sense my belief on the all of time statement is set in stone and I do not believe myself able to change my mind I don't find it productive in any way to engage with that part of the aurgment.
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ok
 
Just to wrap up the discussion from before, there isn't any evidence for the time eater's tier besides stages that are either reasonable targets for Eggman or could be explained via the echos of past alterations statment, or the all space time statments? Or is there something that hasn't been brought up?
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Why? I don't understand why that counterdicts it

Well thinking on this a bit more, White Space clearly has 3 Dimensions that you can move around in, As such it should have distance for which the localized affect of CC to happen in, but I'm not sure why this means it's not localized, implications of there being no time or broken time in whitespace? But I'm not sure what the wiki's stance on that today is.
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it doesn't, the people that resisted the Erasure still have their dimensions as they weren't erased, and then they restore the other people's so that they can move
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Just to wrap up the discussion from before, there isn't any evidence for the time eater's tier besides stages that are either reasonable targets for Eggman
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which would emcompass all of existence as Eggman lost even in the likes of MW

Darkmon_cns said:
or could be explained via the echos of past alterations statment
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.........which are direct caused by the time anomalies caused, thus not actually explaining anything..........also this is only valid for Kingdom Valley, not anything else

Darkmon_cns said:
or the all space time statments? Or is there something that hasn't been brought up?
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and also "all of reality"
 
Stuff like all of reality and all of space time just dosen't mean anything to me. I've seen those statments used and passed off in other verses over the years so much I can't take them seriously
Omegabronic said:
which would emcompass all of existence as Eggman lost even in the likes of MW


.........which are direct caused by the time anomalies caused, thus not actually explaining anything..........also this is only valid for Kingdom Valley, not anything else


and also "all of reality"
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I also want to say I don't understand your middle statment can you explain it a bit more?

Edit as well what dose MW stand for?anomaly.

Edit 2: I've thought on your middle post a bit and I think your claiming sense the distortions caused it it dosen't explain anything? But I don't understand how that could be, it's just explaining why it's there and the answer is the distortions, I also don't understand why it would apply to crisis city any less then Kingdom vally
 
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Darkmon_cns said:
I actually thought a hypertimeline was something else, nested timelines (a timeline in a timeline) and it was just accepted the greater timeline to the lower timeline had the same distance between them as dimensions (as the greater timeline as as much to the lower timeline as the lower timeline dose to a 3d universe)
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This is the eventual adaptation to make sense in the Tiering system for people to get a general application, but it's actually the same thing I said. Dimensions are just dimensions, they are axes that describe the position of points across n-dimensional space-time. A hyper timeline is just a way of trying to describe causality happening between two different timelines encompassed by a singular causal connection, that is, something that happens in one affecting all of them. That happens because the effect affects not just a singular timeline, but all of them. As such, that effect is described by the number of dimensional axes related to the overall affected space-time, which is at least 5-dimensional for parallel timelines. It's basically the same as a multiverse, but instead of being defined by the idea of spatial access, it's done by the idea of causal connection across multiple temporal links.
 
Executor_N0 said:
This is the eventual adaptation to make sense in the Tiering system for people to get a general application, but it's actually the same thing I said. Dimensions are just dimensions, they are axes that describe the position of points across n-dimensional space-time. A hyper timeline is just a way of trying to describe causality happening between two different timelines encompassed by a singular causal connection, that is, something that happens in one affecting all of them. That happens because the effect affects not just a singular timeline, but all of them. As such, that effect is described by the number of dimensional axes related to the overall affected space-time, which is at least 5-dimensional for parallel timelines. It's basically the same as a multiverse, but instead of being defined by the idea of spatial access, it's done by the idea of causal connection across multiple temporal links.
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I believe I understood it, and it is different from how I envisioned it

Imagine a timeline was a slider for a universe from start to finish, and someone altered time so you could see there affect on the universe but not the time they came from, as well as anomalys cause by time travel you can't really get rid of

The hypertimeline would be a second slider, that you could move to see the past alterations, where that time traveler came from and the state of the whole timeline without the anomalys.
 
Sonic Speed Sim updated today.

(Sorry if the post is a bit long-winded)

Autumn Forest Zone got Red Star Rings and a quest for a skin for Gemerl
2LMreMa.png

But the more interesting thing is the new 2-part Super Shadow event:

noFilter

Part 1 came out today, and the 2nd part is coming out next week.


Part 1 is about helping Silver collect the chaos emeralds.
Super Shadow is coming in Part 2.

Also, I could be very wrong with this, but...

It's possible a certain jackal could be returning...
(Apologies for the image quality)

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DyOy2mE.png


S0Xw3VV.png
 
JRockfish1 said:
Sonic Speed Sim updated today.

(Sorry if the post is a bit long-winded)

Autumn Forest Zone got Red Star Rings and a quest for a skin for Gemerl
2LMreMa.png

But the more interesting thing is the new 2-part Super Shadow event:

noFilter

Part 1 came out today, and the 2nd part is coming out next week.


Part 1 is about helping Silver collect the chaos emeralds.
Super Shadow is coming in Part 2.

Also, I could be very wrong with this, but...

It's possible a certain jackal could be returning...
(Apologies for the image quality)

0YWabUo.png


DyOy2mE.png


S0Xw3VV.png
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Wow. Very interesting, hyped to see Super Shadow enter Roblox.

More hyped as to what this could lead into. For some reason, if playable Super Neo is against Sega's rules, we're probably not getting playable Infinite either.

As User said though, maybe this can lead into a Light Eggman-type event.
 
Cookie Clicker being a mega chad verse:
"Time is infinite, yes... But what if, nestled within each second, were even more infinities? Every moment an eternity! Think of how many scheduling troubles this solves!"
 
ShakeResounding said:
This is actually a pretty decent analogy, yes.
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I still don't feel like the hypertimeline situation is a true 2D time thing, even if it is equivalent for our purposes, it's more akin to if in a 3 dimensional reality one of the 3 dimensions were somehow hiding 3 additional dimensions inside of it.
 
"All of space-time" requires context in order to be properly scaled, which for the guy who's been defeated across numerous dimensions including the multiversal sized one...
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I'm having trouble recalling when the Sol Dimension showed up. Mind reminding me?
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I guess it’s related to how Eggman was trying to undo his previous defeats, one of which is in the sol dimension (the Rush level in the 3DS version isn’t from the Sol dimension so, can’t be that)
 
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