Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Snek]

On the topic of Eggman being exposed outside his mechs, Sages barriers dowscale from The End and in a fight like this she would have little reason to leave Eggmans side which means Eggman gets a top tier defense whenever he needs it. Also if Bowser is on the verge of winning but Sage sends Eggman to cyberspace to ensure his safety would that be considered a draw?

One last thing. If both armies were in charecter how do you imagine this fight would play out if you had to make a timeline for it?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

On the topic of Eggman being exposed outside his mechs, Sages barriers dowscale from The End and in a fight like this she would have little reason to leave Eggmans side which means Eggman gets a top tier defense whenever he needs it.

True, but Eggman's durabillity also scales to Sonic's AP, he has rings for 1-C damage transferal, Forcejewels for teleporting back to safety and preventing forced teleportation, and weapons on his person to defend himself if necessary.

Also if Bowser is on the verge of winning but Sage sends Eggman to cyberspace to ensure his safety would that be considered a draw?

Characters aren't allowed to flee from battle in DB, so no.

One last thing. If both armies were in charecter how do you imagine this fight would play out if you had to make a timeline for it?

We are trying to account for their personalities in-character as much as possible, but it's kind of hard when they have access to SO MUCH stuff in this fight. Sage's analysis would ultimately still make Eggman more likely to resort to good hax though. Her whole purpose is to make the most rational and calculated decisions. We don't have to tell Eggman to stop being stupid and just use his insta-win hax because Sage should already do that for us.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

How can Light Man Eggman be countered?
"Hooo boy. Here we go. So, as we went over, Sonic has resisted reality warping and mind manipulation in the past. He and his friends have resisted transmutation as well, and have acausality type 1. Yet all of them were powerless to Light Man Eggman's Egg Field and its reality warping, memory manipulation, and causality manipulation. This is no surprise since we actually learn that this specific version of the Egg Field is derived from an infinite other-dimensional realm. The only reason they ever stood a chance was because of the Chaos Emeralds. They were the ones responsible for preserving the characters' essence, and the reason they could come back to normal, and by the end of the story, Eggman had such mastery over the Egg Field that even Chaos Emerald users who had managed to recover from the Egg Field's effect were now being affected. It's only after Sonic had collected all 7 Emeralds that he finally had enough Chaos Energy to resist it outright, and nullify it. This means that the argument that "heart" is enough to counter the Egg Field is contradicted by the story itself. So what does Bowser have to counter this 5D, causality, and reality warping hax which is essentially an instant win condition over the entire battlefield? The Pure Hearts won't work. Some people have brought this up as a counter, but even if "heart" could counter the Egg Field, this argument would still be a nominal fallacy. The better argument is Fawful's mind control gas, and how the minion spirit could allows Bowser's troops to break free from it. Unfortunately, this argument stills falls falt since even a resistance to Fawful's upgraded version of the gas, which is layered, would still pales in comparison to the potency of Light Man's Egg Field, which is multi-layered even if for some reason you want to completely ignore the fact that it's 5D. Fawful's gas amounts to brain washing, too, which is not at all comparable to memory manipulation induced by reality warping and causality manipulation. Bowser's only hope against this is to either kill Eggman before he activates it or somehow be aware that it's coming and teleport out of its range. Its area of effect is at least larger than Sonic's Earth, which has several pieces of evidence indicating that it is MUCH larger than our Earth, and since information analysis is off the table against the Phantom Ruby, Bowser's only possible way of knowing what's coming is communicating with Kamek as he's using his precognition, which isn't in-character because Kamek's precognition sucks and gets hard countered by Super Neo and Supreme's type 4 acausality anyway."

Is there something I can add to improve this? All help is welcome