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I can’t believe we’re at a point where the Roblox game is canon, the movies are canon (to the multiverse), but chronicles is not
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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I've been saying this for a long time. Ultra Sonic is literally the 007 of Sonic forms.
0 feats, 0 showings, and 7 days a week glazing by dunderheads who don't know what they're talking about.
I can only count on ONE hand how many times Ultra Sonic has actually been used, but zero of them show how strong Ultra is. All powers Ultra has are powers Super Sonic already has but better. Atomic manipulation, environmental adaptation, flight, chaos power? Super can literally dogwalk all of those with conceptual manipulation, reality manipulation, Super Genesis Wave (TM), flight, invulnerability, etc.
It's also SUPER funny because people keep saying "oh it uses a super emerald for the form, so its stronger", yet in Archie's SA1 Sonic uses all 7 Super Emeralds to turn into Super Sonic and not Ultra?? They wanna just conveniently forget??
Also the bum argument of "oh sonic turns into super THEN ultra in issue 71, so that means its stronger". By that logic, Super Saiyan Blue is stronger than MUI in the Broly Movie because Goku briefly turned MUI and then turned Blue. Garbanzo scaling.
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Makes sense, to be honest. Always thought that the Metal Virus was so absurdly evil that it'd be something Archie Eggman would cook up to put an end to Sonic, didn't realize that it was remnants of an idea from the Archie era.
Still, I'm glad we got it in the IDW run and it showed why even Game Eggman is not to be trifled with.
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Eggman (and Tails) are the HIM of the INT-Stat. Do NOT pull up to the function without a five-dollar foot-long or mints or else you're getting eggblasted/napalm bombed LMAO.
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Ken Penders (derogatory). The stuff in Chronicles was actually kinda cool. I wish Shade could actually be used. She's an interesting character.
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I guess there were copyright laws in the universe that could stop Sonic.
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Chaos Rift has gotta be canon though lol. That's a cool-ass move. Shadow just Hollow Purpling (never watched JJK) people away outside of space-time or whatever is so funny to me.
Wish that move was used in sprite animations LOL
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Yup,Ultra at the VERY MOST could be considered an alternate albeit weaker Super State like Darkspine or Excalibur, but honestly it probably sucks more than those forms. Claiming it's actually far beyond Super is bullshit.
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What I'm SAYING, legit! I'm glad someone here actually agrees. Also in every instance it's shown, it's shown to burn out very quickly. Honestly, I see it as more of an "uninhibited mode" for Sonic more than an actual Super-level form. Even if he needs actual super emeralds or whatever to use the damn form.
Also people tend to believe that the term "ultrasonic" denotes being faster than "supersonic" when the term ultrasonic is just a higher-frequency of sound that still travels within the speed of sound while supersonic as a term is expressly faster than sound. Some Archie glazers are just completely ******* illiterate (media or otherwise)
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+1,000 aura for using the 007 meme to expose FRAUDchie.
+10,000 aura for using the insult dunderhead unironically.
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I'M REALLY LIKE THAT! Literally I pull up to almost every video that pops up in my recommended of topics relating to Archie VS Games stuff on YouTube PURELY to detox the contagion that is the FRAUDchie glazers! Saying stuff like shit like "Archie Sonic has more hax" (despite the fact that Games Sonic has more consistency for their hax along with practically the same kind and even MORE, especially these days) or some absolute slack jawed knuckledragger caveman arguments like "b-but issue 71-" or "hur dur if this was Archie Sonic, he'd body".
People gotta realize that Archie Sonic is the cheap knockoff while Games Sonic? I'll take a page out of Homelander.
"No.... I'm the upgrade."
The funniest part is that, narratively, the Sonic characters typically scale to one another anyway. There is hardly power-creep in the Sonic franchise. Archie Sonic GENUINELY has to get through Cream the Rabbit before touching Games Sonic in any significant way.
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You know, the pure hearts rely on emotional empowerment to do all their best feats, literally requiring the ultimate power of love to seal the void away.
Hmm wonder what magic rocks Eggman has drained and nullified multiple times also hinge on emotional empowerment...
Hmm wonder what magic rocks Eggman has drained and nullified multiple times also hinge on emotional empowerment...
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The Chaos Emeralds. They typically rely on an emotional response and enriched by the heart.
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Isn't there an instance in SPM where someone's able to restore a Pure Heart because of love? Unless I'm misremembering the scene where Queen Jaydes restored that Pure Heart which was turned to stone after the Sammer Kingdom was destroyed.
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I'm short so I didn't actually know thisAlso people tend to believe that the term "ultrasonic" denotes being faster than "supersonic" when the term ultrasonic is just a higher-frequency of sound that still travels within the speed of sound while supersonic as a term is expressly faster than sound. Some Archie glazers are just completely ******* illiterate (media or otherwise)
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Count Bleck and Tippi I think. Maybe Sage and Eggman can do the same thing.
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Actually there is no mention of love with Jaydes. She uses her power over life and death.
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It's fine if you didn't know that, but people often don't talk a single Google-ing to fact check it.
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Do characters with Spin Dash (Standard) get all properties of the Standard Spin Dash's section like the Vibration and Energy Manipulation?
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They definitely should. Else there'd be a tier of Spindash below Standard (which there isn't).
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Yeah I was thinking about maybe adjusting the levels of the Spin Dash down the line.
Also, to the general audience, I'm sorry Part 2 of Shadow Gens' CRT is taking so long. But if you want Shadow's page looking niiiiice, you gotta bear with me a few more days! I promise, it'll be worth it.
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Let's gooooo
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That gets me thinking, how would the games and Archie continuities compare if they had the same amount of dimensions? Personally I'm intimidated by the games' years worth of AD and some crazy raw multipliers
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I think it looks fine as is since it serves its purpose considering the Spin Dash works as intended. However I will say that I don't much see a point in it having tiers, tbh. The pages for it are rather small and the unique tiering seems a little unnecessary. I dunno if I'm bugging, it just looks a little funky.
Also, YES! I rep my goat Shadow any day of the week. I've been looking at your page to see the changes and have been waiting patiently!
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The games would probably be equal
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I mean, that's like asking how does a glass of water and a glass of water compare. If they both shared the same cosmology, they'd share the scaling. Thus, they would be equal or comparable. Arguably, Game Sonic as way more to work with than the vague and absurd stuff Archie tries (and often fails) to explain.
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Not the same cosmology, just an equal amount of dimensions since they both use hypertimelines
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I don't think that changes the answer, though you could much more reliably argue strength for Games than Archie shlock.
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Take all the time you need Shake
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I thought it was because Ian literally said Ultra was stronger? Something about how it's a more focused/concentrated version of Super Sonic's power?
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Well iirc there's 2 versions of Ultra; from Power Rings and from a Super Emerald.
The Power Ring variant lasts like 5 seconds and is probably hardly above Base.
The Super Emerald variant's power is just handwaved as somewhere above Super due its power source.
I'm moreso neutral nowadays regarding itand all of Archie
The Power Ring variant lasts like 5 seconds and is probably hardly above Base.
The Super Emerald variant's power is just handwaved as somewhere above Super due its power source.
I'm moreso neutral nowadays regarding it
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We need Elixir back. He was the Archie expert.
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Ian isn't known to be the most credible source of info. Bro says Sonic loses to Kid Goku. So funny.
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More people need to take the things that Ian says on his podcast with a grain of salt
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I don't even consider it stronger than Super even then. Its feats and showings just don't line up at all and don't reliably make it anywhere close to the highs of Super Sonic, even when 7 Super Emeralds were present, yet they were ALL used to turn into Super Sonic.
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I agree. Ian Flynn is more of a suggestion, not the absolute rule. Sooner people realize, the better. This is why I typically use my own scaling rather than relying on one place or source.
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I realized this when he said that he thinks Solaris is stronger than The End
I get that the immediate wiping away of existence is a better feat but The End scales so far above characters who fought Solaris it's not even funny
Plus the fact that The End is repeatedly implied to be capable of wiping away everything as well
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