Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[MysticMania]

I really want to see the Time Stones used for something.

 

[Fireld]

Phantom Doom
Burning Knuckles
Doom Powers Shadow+Purple Frenzy Wisp

 

[RedReaper616]

Sonic Question Time: If you had to give a Sonic character a special transformation using a different (set of) object(s), which would it be? Bonus points if you don't use Sonic. (Note: This is different from my other question regarding making a special transformation for a cast member. You have to use an already-established artifact i.e. Warp Topaz, Phantom Ruby,)

I'd like to see Amy use the Sol Emeralds to transform; I feel her "fiery personality" motif can be taken to a literal extreme and still feel natural. Even funnier if they subverse that idiotic "Only male hedgehogs can go Super" claim with "Only females can transform using the Sol Emeralds" lolol.

I'd very much as like to see Scourge use the Super Emerald to use his own Ultra Form, or seeing what the Moebian equivalent of it via Anarchy Beryl (or, and I know this is outside parameters, Super [Anarchy] Beryl). Similarly, I think Metal harnessing multiple jewels at once would be perfect. For example, I think Metal capitalizing on his ability to copy and utilize the artifacts of the verse would be quite interesting. Whether this be the Sol Emeralds, the Phantom Ruby (a la Overclocked), or things like that. Especially since his whole thing is constant, hyper-evolution. So seeing him well...stagnate...is kinda sucky, and I think it'd be great if we were shown more of it. And even better if it's more directly focused on in ways that subvert what we've come to expect. (For example, an idea I've had for some time in regards to this is, when Metal became Master Overlord, he should've stayed small. This would highlight how he has adapted to having a large metallic dragon body and it's flaws and become even more dangerous and threatening.)

Then, since Ian didn't want to go Super yet, the way to beat Metal in his newly perfect Sonic body is focusing on the holes in Metal's personality, like we see can happen with him dipping his fingers in the Metal Virus, his own rebellious programming purged from his systems, and his inability to live up to what it really means to be Sonic as a person. Specifically in a way that highlights the crucial difference between them, or Metal specifically breaking from it and actually living up to what it means to be Sonic for a brief moment, causing him to lose. Whether that be saving Angel Island, mental suicide as heroism battles against villainy, or literally surrendering whilst he can, allowing them to force reset Metal (since he was scheduled to do so anyway.) Maybe even focusing on the more mental faculties of the Emerald, where his adaption (powering up properly) is warring against the natural state of the Emeralds (turning evil people using their abilities into monsters. Which in itself would be a nice thematic commentary on the entire root of the Eggman V Sonic conflict, artficial replacement and technological destruction/deviation/aboination in the pursuit of advancement versus nature's true course.)

 

[RedReaper616]

That's just me, though...

I really want to see the Time Stones used for something.

We almost had it. Archie was doing something, and theeennnnnnn....Well, it starts with a Ken and ends in Penders.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Sonic Question Time: If you had to give a Sonic character a special transformation using a different (set of) object(s), which would it be? Bonus points if you don't use Sonic. (Note: This is different from my other question regarding making a special transformation for a cast member. You have to use an already-established artifact i.e. Warp Topaz, Phantom Ruby,)

I'd like to see Amy use the Sol Emeralds to transform; I feel her "fiery personality" motif can be taken to a literal extreme and still feel natural. Even funnier if they subverse that idiotic "Only male hedgehogs can go Super" claim with "Only females can transform using the Sol Emeralds" lolol.

My inner Naruto fan wants "Marked Espio" and basically give him Genjitsu via the Phantom Ruby kek!

Tho seriously I would like Beastmaster Cream who combines the (Sonic Chronicles) Chao with the Wisps to act as very powerful fusion summons kinda like a Digimon tamer via using Cheese as her conduit, the combinations are pretty much endless and it makes sense for Cream to be the ambassador between the Chao and Wisps thus this power being unique to her.

Also the Chaotix (including Mighty and Ray) should get an unique buff via the Chaos Rings (obscure I know) with each of the seven rings being permanently bonded to an individual member: Espio, Vector, Charmy, Ray, Mighty, Bomb and Heavy with Knuckles as the controller via the Master Emerald.

We almost had it. Archie was doing something, and theeennnnnnn....Well, it starts with a Ken and ends in Penders.

So Ken is both the Time Eater and The End? Makes sense.

 

[RedReaper616]

I 100% think that Time Stone Silver's super form should be named Still Silver.
Because Steel, one, two, time's stagnates around his power, three, it sounds cool but 4, because a lot of Silver's character arc-Outside of learning from trying to beat people at their own game and realizing he lets idolization prevent him from being his own person, is also about trying to slow down--To enjoy life and exist, to fight the battles that need to be fought without moving to and fro. To stop and think, as well as actually focus on the task at hand instead of rushing. Being "Still." Taking that name at the climax of his character arc and finally learning that lesson would be really great, in my eyes.

 

[MysticMania]

I don't know if this is anything, but Eggman can "hide" the "spaces". Every space becomes a question mark.

 

[Theuser789]

@Peptorcoptr27, don't forget to add Eggman's time reversal clock thing from Superstars in your CRT, pretty please. I think we forgot to add it before.

I don't know if this is anything, but Eggman can "hide" the "spaces". Every space becomes a question mark.

Might be some sort of illusion or perception manipulation?

 

[MysticMania]

Very possibly so, yeah.

 

[JJSliderman]

I 100% think that Time Stone Silver's super form should be named Still Silver.

Haha

Bleach reference.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Man, that question inspired some awesome answers. Cool ideas, guys!

 

[Ovrhide]

You call 99% of Sonic scaling here to be dumb and bunkers. Yet you don't even know why the emeralds vary in power or what the source for it is despite the fact that it's part of the 1% you apparantly agree with. You "guess" that this info comes from IDW and that it's because the power of a Super form depends on the level of the threat they're facing. In actuality, we originally learned this info in SA1, with IDW only acting as support, and the mechanics of the variable tier are already throughly explained here, so you have no reason to even speculate in the first place. I would tell you to make a CRT if you really think our Sonic scaling is so stupid, but you've already shown yourself to be uninformed on the topic, so I'll honestly be very surprised if it turns out not to be a waste of everyone's time.

Nice rant, don’t care.

I live outside this forum. Don’t have to subscribe to anything you guys do here.

That’s the beauty of not being in a hive.

reply if you want, but I wont.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Tch, if only we were a hive. Metal Sonic's transformations would actually stick to a single tier lol

 

[RedReaper616]

Man, that question inspired some awesome answers. Cool ideas, guys!

Why thank you...

 

[MysticMania]

hive.

I'm sorry to break topic, but, this makes me think of a wasp Sonic design. That could be extremely cool to see. I like seeing people with insect sonas, and such, so seeing how one could adapt insects into a still anthro but Sonic-ish style would be interesting.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Anthro wasps would be demented.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Anthro wasps would be demented.

Charmy Bee is already crazy enough as it is, imagine a wasp villain in the Sonic franchise

 

[JJSliderman]

Charmy’s crazy sister!

 

[Fireld]

Tch, if only we were a hive.

 

[MysticMania]

If I were in a hive I would just never be wrong, personally. My foes would simply agree with me (they are me and i am them)

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Anthro wasps would be demented.

You just opened a can of wor- I mean wasps (imagine Anthro worm tho?).

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Charmy Bee is already crazy enough as it is, imagine a wasp villain in the Sonic franchise

Wasn't there a wasp villain in Sonic the Comic?

 

[Omegabronic]

Establishing combat skill requirements

Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...

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Where do you think Sonic would fall under this new justifications?(assuming they stay as they are)

 

[JJSliderman]

Somewhere between Genius and Extraordinary Genius (although Emerl is carrying like 90% of that)

 

[RedReaper616]

Somewhere between Genius and Extraordinary Genius (although Emerl is carrying like 90% of that)

Metal as well. Really just those two in general…

 

[Omegabronic]

Somewhere between Genius and Extraordinary Genius (although Emerl is carrying like 90% of that)

If the Infinite information part of Supergenius remains.....then i think Supergenius is possible

also how come people forget the crack shit insane skill statements from Frontiers that i added to Modern Sonic? Come on, i am proud of them

 

[Remus1998]

Establishing combat skill requirements

Lonkitt's Suggestion on page 5 is currently what the goal is I will preface this thread by saying two things: what I write here is not final, and can be argued with, disagreed with, etc. Before this can go live, at least a one example must be listed for all ratings. Animalistic: With only...

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Where do you think Sonic would fall under this new justifications?(assuming they stay as they are)

Probably remain in EG

also how come people forget the crack shit insane skill statements from Frontiers that i added to Modern Sonic? Come on, i am proud of them

Which ones?

 

[Fireld]

Ig he's talking about the Ancients being amazed from Sonic fighting & saying he had infinite potential or sth

 

[ShakeResounding]

Ig he's talking about the Ancients being amazed from Sonic fighting & saying he had infinite potential or sth

I think there might be something that could warrant Emerl being a Supergenius Combatant under that new rating as well, but I'm not too knowledgeable on the Gizoid's combat statements

 

[Omegabronic]

Which ones?

Sage, the miss "i have all your biological data, records of past battles, personal information, personality, etc about you" and that can analise literal infinite information in Cyberspace and simulate millions of possibilities in a short time, being consistently unable to predict Sonic at all in regardings to fighting

I think there might be something that could warrant Emerl being a Supergenius Combatant under that new rating as well, but I'm not too knowledgeable on the Gizoid's combat statements

"All that is to learn about fighting mastered" + Supercomputer exploding trying to analise him fighting data + "i can create infinite ammount of fighting styles, each "unique""

The last part is why i say "Supergenius" would be possible given the.....standard in the OP of that thread

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sage, the miss "i have all your biological data, records of past battles, personal information, personality, etc about you" and that can analyze literal infinite information in Cyberspace and simulate millions of possibilities in a short time, being consistently unable to predict Sonic at all in regardings to fighting

Oh right, I kinda blocked out that Cyber Space has what's essentially a 5-D "amount" of data/information. You know, it isn't enough to qualify for a Resistance to Information Analysis (because she literally did analyze him lol) but it does make me wonder if it's some limited resistance instead.

"All that is to learn about fighting mastered" + Supercomputer exploding trying to analyze him fighting data + "i can create infinite amount of fighting styles, each "unique""

Pffft hahahaha I legit always forget about Emerl f$#king blowing up a supercomputer with his fighting data. That's some shonen-level shit right there

The last part is why i say "Supergenius" would be possible given the.....standard in the OP of that thread

I only skimmed the thread (and skipped page 2) but afaik it doesn't have much staff input so far. We'll see if this actually gets accepted

 

[JJSliderman]

Iirc it only says he can make potentially endless amounts of fighting styles by combining the data he already has in different ways, he doesn’t actually use infinite fighting styles at a time.

Emerl doesn’t actually have 4000 years of combat data either, he has data from 4000 years ago and data from today, and then a 4000 year gap of being shut off.

 

[Omegabronic]

Oh right, I kinda blocked out that Cyber Space has what's essentially a 5-D "amount" of data/information. You know, it isn't enough to qualify for a Resistance to Information Analysis (because she literally did analyze him lol) but it does make me wonder if it's some limited resistance instead.

It isn't resistance, Sonic is just skilled like that, Final Horizon exemplifies this more with the Ancients dialogue

Pffft hahahaha I legit always forget about Emerl f$#king blowing up a supercomputer with his fighting data. That's some shonen-level shit right there

Yep........Infinite fighting styles via combining finite ones be like:

I only skimmed the thread (and skipped page 2) but afaik it doesn't have much staff input so far. We'll see if this actually gets accepted

Yeah, it is just that.....the thought of Sonic and Eggman sharing the same Inteligemce rating sounds funny to me lol

Iirc it only says he can make potentially endless amounts of fighting styles by combining the data he already has in different ways,

Nope, literally infinite, verbatim said so

he doesn’t actually use infinite fighting styles at a time.

That is......literally what Ultimate Emerl does

Emerl doesn’t actually have 4000 years of combat data either, he has data from 4000 years ago and data from today, and then a 4000 year gap of being shut off.

He does since he learned "literally everything he could" about combat, so all that has developted in those 4000 years? His

Also i don't remember saying his age matters here so idk why you thought you needed to address that

 

[JJSliderman]

Nope, literally infinite, verbatim said so

Infinite via combos of other moves, which he doesn’t use all at once.

That is......literally what Ultimate Emerl does

No, he just uses the ultimate versions of every skill type in the game (and by ultimate I mean the specific skill type of ultimate not, perfected)

He does since he learned "literally everything he could" about combat, so all that has developted in those 4000 years? His

All he did was scan some G.U.N. weapons, he learned everything he could about that subtype.

 

[Omegabronic]

Infinite via combos of other moves, which he doesn’t use all at once.

.......you do know that you can't use infinite ammounts of stuff at once right? It is logically impossible

Also.......it is verbatim said "fighting styles" so.....not just moves

You are trying to dowmplay him for no reason

No, he just uses the ultimate versions of every skill type in the game

Which is a combination of all fightinf techniques he learned, visually as such, yes

(and by ultimate I mean the specific skill type of ultimate not, perfected)

Again, why dowmplaying for no reason?

All he did was scan some G.U.N. weapons, he learned everything he could about that subtype.

Nope, verbatim said "learned literally all he could" he learned everything there was to learn, there isn't any way to work arround that

dunno why you even want that

 

[JJSliderman]

.......you do know that you can't use infinite ammounts of stuff at once right? It is logically impossible

Also.......it is verbatim said "fighting styles" so.....not just moves

You are trying to dowmplay him for no reason

It’s also logically impossible to have infinite speed at all, yet here we are.

“Emerl is able to combine the collected technique chips, allowing to create infinite styles”. It is just combining the casts’ moves together to make fighting styles.

Which is a combination of all fightinf techniques he learned, visually as such, yes

No it isn’t? I don’t see Emerl dropping bat bombs or Chao tornados as Ultimate.

Nope, verbatim said "learned literally all he could" he learned everything there was to learn, there isn't any way to work arround that

All it could in its sheltered space on the Ark, which isn’t confirmed to be all combat styles in the modern age ever.

 

[Omegabronic]

It’s also logically impossible to have infinite speed at all, yet here we are.

i think you don't understand what one means by "logical", unless you have multiple clones, you will ALWAYS be using 1 fighting style, even if you blend numerous into 1, you will ONLY be using this new blended 1, there is no way to use "infinite" different punches at once, you have to choose 1 kind of punch to trow

“Emerl is able to combine the collected technique chips, allowing to create infinite styles”. It is just combining the casts’ moves together to make fighting styles.

............you do know i said he copied every other fighting style there is right? so this statement would inlcuded that as well

plus if it doesn't..........it is just more impressive as would be able to create infinite unique fighting styles from a very limited pool, so

No it isn’t? I don’t see Emerl dropping bat bombs or Chao tornados as Ultimate.

him knocback move is Chaos's, him basic combo has Rouges' kick anc Knuckle's spirit summoning rock trow, his air movement is Sonic's, etc

like, it is very clear what it is being depicted

All it could in its sheltered space on the Ark

he was sent to Earth, to the military as a way to buy time for project Shadow, so you are just wrong

which isn’t confirmed to be all combat styles in the modern age ever.

again, he went berserk, which Gerald explicitly says that it happens when the gizoid "learns all it could" aka all combat styles in the modern age/all about combat

again, i have no idea why you are trying so hard to downplay this now yet gave absolutely no opinion when i myself implemented it in my skill thread

 

[JJSliderman]

Cuz I talked with people after the fact who brought up their own counters to Emerl’s skill stuff.

............you do know i said he copied every other fighting style there is right? so this statement would inlcuded that as well

Except the statement is specifically referring to the technique chips of the main cast, not the unnamed fighting styles.

plus if it doesn't..........it is just more impressive as would be able to create infinite unique fighting styles from a very limited pool, so

Yes, he can make a potential infinite amount of fighting styles if he experimented with them, had enough time to make infinite styles, but it’s not shown he did.

him knocback move is Chaos's, him basic combo has Rouges' kick anc Knuckle's spirit summoning rock trow, his air movement is Sonic's, etc

like, it is very clear what it is being depicted

Fair point.

he was sent to Earth, to the military as a way to buy time for project Shadow, so you are just wrong

But it also says he went berserk on the Ark, so his training must have primarily been on the Ark.

again, he went berserk, which Gerald explicitly says that it happens when the gizoid "learns all it could" aka all combat styles in the modern age/all about combat

Well I mean, clearly it didn’t go berserk because it knew literally every fighting style. Sonic didn’t learn Linshao Kung fu until Unleashed, despite the practitioner living at least during the Battle era, and Sonic ended up beating Emerl who would supposedly have known that fighting style.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Sonic didn’t learn Linshao Kung fu until Unleashed, despite the practitioner living at least during the Battle era, and Sonic ended up beating Emerl who would supposedly have known that fighting style.

I'm not fully agreeing with either you or Omega atm, but this argument is nothing. You don't need to know a specific martial art to beat someone who does.