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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
As for me personally, well...

Chaos Emerald hunting in the Advance trilogy was simply despicable, though Advance 2 was the worst offender for forcing the player to essentially memorize entire acts, perform tedious platforming and collect all the special rings in a single attempt just to access the special stage, in a game whose level design based around speed rather than exploration, with the "boost mode" feature.

I love the Advance trilogy plus alongside Battle, the games provided the foundation for a generation of legendary sprite animation but there's a reason "Dimps moment" was a popular meme in the let's play part of the Sonic community.
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As a fan of Xenoverse 2, I know the pain all to well when it comes to "Dimps moments"...to the point my pain receptors no longer work and I'm constantly numb to their shit these days.

Theuser789 said:
Sonic Adventure 2

Mad Space.

Simple as.
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Would it be fair to say that Mad Space is one of the worst stages made in the Sonic franchise? Because from my personal experience of playing a whole slew of Sonic games, I think it's easily the most dog shit stage in the 30+ years that Sonic has been in the game industry...and it almost makes replaying the Dark Side story not worth it because of that stage alone.
 
Can someone provide scans of the "dimensional matrix" statement from the Archie comics as well as the one where Sonic and travel from one universe to another by vibrating thier molecules? I can'y seem to find them.

(I'm cooking something forbidden)
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
It's been a hot minute since I commented on here so I got a good question for you all here: What is your least favorite aspect from one of your favorite Sonic games or just your favorite Sonic game in general?
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Least favourite Sonic game is Forces, I genuinely (and personally, of course) think its the lowest point in the series both gameplay wise and story wise

I do have a funny experience with the game though. Idk how, but my friends spent like over an hour playing through Episode Shadow, but when played it, I spent like 10 minutes to finish it and they were baffled
 
Lonkitt said:
Least favourite Sonic game is Forces, I genuinely (and personally, of course) think its the lowest point in the series both gameplay wise and story wise
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It's a shame because had it been darker in tone and with good writing to reflect it, Forces coulda been a rough gem.
Robot972 said:
god damn these stats are... certainly something
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When you've seen unironic arguments for Tier 0 Base Sonic to Tier 6 with Hyper, you learn to appreciate them.
 
I'm so genuinely curious. Statements aside, how the actual hell is this hallway meant to be infinite



I could understand if the hallway was actually LONG, but the thing's like 300 meters at most

This just reads as a blatant "Death of the Author" moment
 
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Robot972 said:
I could understand if the hallway was actually LONG, but the thing's like 300 meters at most
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Gameplay mechanics.
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Robot972 said:
Prima Guides are notoriously inconsistent in quality. Prove Infinite Distance was literally at all intended here by the actual developers
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I don't think the visuals by itself are enough to debunk a statment, especially since a Wii game is physically incapable of showing off an infinite space anyways. So you need stronger evidence that the statment ISN'T vialible. Claims without proof can be dismissed without proof and all that.

I thought you were just joking, but if you really have a problem with infinite speed then you got to make a counter-CRT. I was only in favor of "possibly" infinite anyways.
 
Theuser789 said:
I don't think the visuals by itself are enough to debunk a statment, especially since a Wii game is physically incapable of showing off an infinite space anyways.
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There's plenty of ways to show an infinite space. Especially when Sonic gets teleported a LOT during this section of the level

Friendly reminder of the Infinite Staircase Nintendo made back in 1996
Theuser789 said:
So you need stronger evidence that the statment ISN'T vialible. Claims without proof can be dismissed without proof and all that.
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The fact the back wall can be seen from the entrance

The map the Prima Guide itself provides of the level

Plus the fact the Prima Guide is NOTORIOUSLY inconsistent in terms of just making up information
RanHover60 said:
Even then you gotta debunk the null space point too and that's slightly more harder to do.
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Sonic literally escapes null space via a portal. The game does the work for me
 
Robot972 said:
Actually the Prima Guidebook itself doesn't even try to paint the corridor as infinite outside of that one statement


The literal map on Page 256 has that corridor as one of the smallest parts of the level

The sections Sonic gets teleported to are either nearly as long or longer than the corridor itself
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that is a map of the layout of the level in gameplay, don't see why that would be more valid that the other statement, plus that can just mean that the rest of the level is infinite as well as it gives no finite measurement for it
 
Robot972 said:
I'm so genuinely curious. Statements aside, how the actual hell is this hallway meant to be infinite



I could understand if the hallway was actually LONG, but the thing's like 300 meters at most

This just reads as a blatant "Death of the Author" moment
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Me when gameplay mechanics
 
None of these arguments against either of feats are really all that good. Like, you’re basically saying that the games have to visually show that these go on forever and that statements don’t actually mean anything. That’s a pretty ridiculous ask to me
 
Robot972 said:
Friendly reminder of the Infinite Staircase Nintendo made back in 1996
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That isn't actual infinite speed. Nintendo is just looping a small section of the staircase, that can get broken with enough speed. It wouldn't work in this game.

Anyways, all your points is just "muh visuals" so I am going to dismiss them with "muh gameplay" until you bring better arguments and stop being so confrontational in a general discussion thread of all things. Chill.
 
Robot972 said:
There's plenty of ways to show an infinite space. Especially when Sonic gets teleported a LOT during this section of the level

Friendly reminder of the Infinite Staircase Nintendo made back in 1996
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not seeing why being teleported via portals to another space entirely matters here

also when the objective of the level is to get to the end of it......that warping back from the 64 era wouldn't work for what the levels wants to do

The fact the back wall can be seen from the entrance
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From an infinite speed char infinite distances do seem finite

Robot972 said:
The map the Prima Guide itself provides of the level
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what of it?

Robot972 said:
Plus the fact the Prima Guide is NOTORIOUSLY inconsistent in terms of just making up information
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Show us when the guide for Secret Rings does that

Robot972 said:
Sonic literally escapes null space via a portal. The game does the work for me
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a portal after he went to the end of it, this showed in the upgrade thread, they reached the end and broke their way out of it
 
CloverDragon03 said:
None of these arguments against either of feats are really all that good. Like, you’re basically saying that the games have to visually show that these go on forever and that statements don’t actually mean anything. That’s a pretty ridiculous ask to me
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No, I'm saying that the game should at least imply it if the 3rd party is to be believed.

But when the 3rd Party itself is literally inconsistent on their own claim, it's very heavy reason to doubt the statement
 
Robot972 said:
Bruh.

Sorry pointing out that the Prima Guide itself is inconsistent about this hallway is apparently throwing a tantrum
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The “inconsistency” is just the fact that actually showing an infinite sized thing is damn near impossible if you want Sonic to cross the thing
 
Robot972 said:
No, I'm saying that the game should at least imply it if the 3rd party is to be believed.

But when the 3rd Party itself is literally inconsistent on their own claim, it's very heavy reason to doubt the statement
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“Inconsistent” aka “this visual doesn’t show the exact thing I want it to”

Your argument is solely visuals, which is inherently faulty. You used the endless staircase as an example for how to depict something that’s infinite in size. The problem with that example is that Mario’s never shown crossing it like Sonic crossing the corridor (unless you use backwards long jumping which isn’t at all viable scaling-wise). When he gets 70 stars, he undoes the endless staircase
 
CloverDragon03 said:
So… arguing from game visuals again. Nothing that really makes for a strong argument
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BRUH

You're trying to say he tore open the rift at the edge of the Null Space

I'm just saying he was very VISIBLY not at the edge

I'm just asking for proof he was at the edge
 
Robot972 said:
"Inconsistent" aka "The guidebook literally 3 pages back contradicts the infinite statement by showing it's not infinite even after being stretched"
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The image used is from gameplay… so again, arguing from gameplay visuals, which is inherently flawed.

Why do you think that for most game verses, we typically use things like cutscenes and statements over gameplay? Because game mechanics is a prevalent thing.
 
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