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Ight so like is sonics plot manip, fate manip or both 8d?
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Pretty sure it's only 7D
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wouldnt his plot manip be 8d cause off panel?
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Btw where did 100 something layers of Concept manip come from, and does that mean other chaos abilties have like a shitload of layers
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It should be FAR HIGHER than 100
- A single Power Ring can block out & negate the Iron Queen's Technology/Corruption/Mind hax
- However When the Iron Queen boosted her capabilities with 2 Power Rings, she could control Monkey Khan despite him wearing his Power Ring crown which should grant him protection, meaning that the potency of 2 Power Rings > Resistance granted by 1
- The exact amount of Power Rings needed to nearly overcome a Pre-Harmony Chaos Emerald is unknown but enough to cover the Death Egg
- Enerjak was brough forth by 11 Chaos Emeralds, then Master Mogul absorbs the energy of Enerjak + his own Chaos Emerald, gets Master Mogul to 12 Chaos Emerald then eventually 14 when he integrates a further 2 into himself, commenting how the limitless power of 14 Emerald would dwarf that of 12
- This is further boosted to an unfathomable level with the commencement of the Great Harmony where every Chaos Emerald in the universe was gathered, sealed into the Zone of Silence and eventually reshaped into an even greater set of seven by Feist, of which there were at bare minimum hundreds of thousands of them in the galaxy alone.
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simon the digger:still not infinite layers.
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Like to add that their has been an alteration to layers that means that, besides the likes of the temperature of heat and the number of targets of mind hax, the way you achieve resistance layers is through feats of piercing resistance and not through the likes of a thousand Chaos Emeralds would be a thousand times more potent than one.
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...vsbattles.fandom.com
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what if is stablished in verse that "more of x = greater layers of hax y"? using letters purely for example
MysticMania
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That's understandable. For me, it's sort of like Knuckles.
'Why aren't you guarding the Master Emerald?'
"I don't know."
I'm completely down with Knuckles deciding that it's not his burden to bare, but, like, .
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Can you be more clear, I 'm not entirely certain on what your asking.
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say the verse defines an energy system "X", and that it has resistance to, say, matter manip, another char overpowers the resistance of said "X" and then another person with more "X" resists this matter manip, basically i am asking, what if a verse defines that having more of a energy system makes the haxes and resistance have more layers? would that be acceptable in "layer scaling chain"?
I'm not an Archie expert at all so this isn't to presuppose something for the verse.
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I think it would need to be made clear through statements or repeated and consistent feats that such a system of layers existed.
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That would probably be telepathy methinks.
MysticMania
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What do they talk about?
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Just indicating that they're tagging out.
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Same with Sonic and Shadow vs Final Lizard
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True, but in the Solaris battle they are literally at different points in time.
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So. Over 30 issues away, but I wanna ask anyways: What do you guys think will happen in IDW #100?
Personally, I think there'll be an event that necessitates gather allies from all places (such as the Scrapniks). Or who knows, maybe we'll just start seeing humans again lol.
Personally, I think there'll be an event that necessitates gather allies from all places (such as the Scrapniks). Or who knows, maybe we'll just start seeing humans again lol.
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Sega:humans?sorry,but we don't want them
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They'll get rid of Sol Dimension before we get humans back
Remember when people expected to see that mysterious human character from the first tails tube? lol
Remember when people expected to see that mysterious human character from the first tails tube? lol
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Maybe we'll see Sage?
Hopefully there's a brief timeskip so it starts taking place after Frontiers.
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That take was pretty wild. BUT, I won't lie, Sonic and Blaze's world's fusing and making their planets orbit around each other sounds KINDA cool.
I could see Sage being introduced there, I guess it would bring about much more cohesion.
Though Frontiers may already have been relegated to the last as of the 900th Adventure (left purposefully ambiguous as to whether Sonic meant the Metal Virus corruption or the Cyber Corruption). Since it's left ambiguous, one could argue Frontiers is already in the past. The main issue is figuring out when during IDW the 900th Adventure takes place.
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the main issue is figuring out where is sonic dream team taking place
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Imo if IDW Sonic was a food, it would be plain white bread that occasionally uses butter as a spread but that's about it. In layman's terms #100 might actually use a little seasoning or even a different brand of butter but I wouldn't hold my breath for toast let alone an actual chilli-dog.
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Post-SGW Archie also followed the rules of the games but was still allowed a degree of creative liberty that isn't forced to tie-in directly into the games unlike IDW where let's be honest only serves to hold it back when the games have yoyo in terms of quality for years (story, characterisation and world building wise).
Tbh IDW Sonic is hard carried by it's art and vibrant colour palette plus a few memorable character moments.
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To be honest, and in my perspective, there are pros and cons to how IDW and Archie handled the world they were given. Archie had a whole slew of variable characters, development, events, and entire story arcs that couldn't be told in the games and often times created versions that are considered better then their game counterparts, like Shadow for example. But the one big critique I had towards Archie was that, especially during the Pre SGW era, it became very oversaturated with blatant copies of preexisting characters that bogged down the continuity severely and just became unbearable at times I'm looking at all the different Echidnas and characters across the multiverse specifically.
Now on the flip side of the spectrum, IDW's smaller cast and remaining true to the games does mean that a lot of characters are given far more screen time because of the shorter pool of characters and aspects like Tails being physically more active, elaborating on Sonic's belief in life, demonstrating how threatening Eggman can be, and etc. often lead to more consistent development. But on the other hand....IDW is still subjugated to SEGA's BS mandates like the character assassination surrounding Shadow the Hedgehog and not straying too far from the games has lead to instances where the comic stagnates and it just seems like the writers want to add more to the world but just can't because SEGA's overlooking their shoulders on the daily.
So all in all, I think that Archie Sonic and IDW Sonic each have their individual strengths and weaknesses which make them both viable continuities to get into depending on your taste.But I still wish SEGA would get rid of their dumbass mandates and just let IDW go wild with freedom
Now on the flip side of the spectrum, IDW's smaller cast and remaining true to the games does mean that a lot of characters are given far more screen time because of the shorter pool of characters and aspects like Tails being physically more active, elaborating on Sonic's belief in life, demonstrating how threatening Eggman can be, and etc. often lead to more consistent development. But on the other hand....IDW is still subjugated to SEGA's BS mandates like the character assassination surrounding Shadow the Hedgehog and not straying too far from the games has lead to instances where the comic stagnates and it just seems like the writers want to add more to the world but just can't because SEGA's overlooking their shoulders on the daily.
So all in all, I think that Archie Sonic and IDW Sonic each have their individual strengths and weaknesses which make them both viable continuities to get into depending on your taste.
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IDW actually being exciting and not a snorefest.
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they stopped.....a loong time ago
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why did i do this
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Both are 8D Match takes place in my house this is also semi serious to see how this would go in the top 10 strongest lists Literally God:0 Some Guy who wanted to make Sonic Fanfics:0 the lame outcome:0
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Post-SGW had the most potential out of any continuity. IDW is pathetically sterile & quite frankly boring as hell. It plummeted off a cliff after the first 10 issues & never recovered.
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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
The purpose of this thread is to evaluate which verses do and do not qualify for layered hax under the newly codified standards, much like Glass did for type 5 acausality not too long ago. Given the massive amount of ground that needs to be covered, this will be a somewhat disorganized thread...
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What is the stance regarding the legitimacy of the non-Sonic Super forms in Superstars, as they’re called “super powers” and not Super Amy/Knuckles, etc.
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perfect chaos is a super form, and it doesn't have ''super'' in its name, same with gemerl, and trip
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Personally, and this is my completely opinionated take, I think it's just an easy cop-out for Sega to not acknowledge any Super Form except for Super Sonic alone. Unfortunately, story-wise, that's how it's been for over a decade now. EDIT: Inside the games
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the last super form that actually was not super sonic,was silver
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