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Unleashed, Shadow nearly dying from exhaustion in SA2.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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This didn't happen. Shadow couldn't handle the power of his super form and was burning out. That's what's actually stated.
ShakeResounding
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Are we forgetting Dark Gaia forcefully ripped its energy from the Werehog to a point where Sonic couldn't even stand for a bit afterwards? And he still got up to continue the fight despite that. This is AFTER a non-stop, several-day adventure to fix the planet.
It's only as Super Sonic is reverting to Base that he shows any sign of fatigue, but that doesn't mean anything other than disproving the Archie mechanic of being boosted once detransformed. Saying that instance goes against Infinite stamina is something I feel is blatantly ignoring context.
It's only as Super Sonic is reverting to Base that he shows any sign of fatigue, but that doesn't mean anything other than disproving the Archie mechanic of being boosted once detransformed. Saying that instance goes against Infinite stamina is something I feel is blatantly ignoring context.
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Meh, I still think the mechanic of Chaos Emeralds having infinite energy reserves is flawed by virtue of their total energy being drained several times, unless Eggman is capable of casually inventing machines that can drain infinite amounts of energy.
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Nah dude can create machine capable to create dimensión, obviously he potentially can drain Infinite energy
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sonic was left on his knees prior to that when dark gaia stole his energy
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eggman never drained their energy, he inverted their polarity and used the negative energy of the emeralds, which makes them go grey and lose power, it is never mentioned that they went grey because they had no energy
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If they had energy left Sonic could have gone Super immediately and finished the adventure in 2 minutes, just like Adventure 1.
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sonic wouldn't be able to use them since they went inert, have you read what i said? they lost their power and couldn't be used, as shown in adventure 1 they still had energy in them even in that state
adventure was a specific situation, what makes you think sonic could have done that again by himself?
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Because that also happened in Rush, the Sol Emeralds were drained and turned grey but could still be used for transforming.
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they still had energy, they simply lost their power after the negative energy was used, that is all, you keep using the word "drained" here even tho that is never said to be what happened to them, not in adventure 1, not in unleashed and not in rush, they simply lost their power due to being used with negative purposes
yeah, because they didn't got drained of their energy, they simply went inert
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What is the difference between drained and lost power, sounds semantic.
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power = strenght and abilities(basically how you say "super powers") energy = well, energy reserves
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But the Emeralds’ powers come from their supply of Chaos Energy, wouldn’t draining that energy be equivalent to robbing them of power?
ShakeResounding
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It's Sonic the Comic's 30th anniversary today (and Sonic the Comic Online's 20th)! Crazy to think how old this franchise and it's branches (and us) are getting.
Makes me wonder whether that has something to do with what's cooking in the 900th Adventure one-shot, and why a StC writer is apart of it...
Makes me wonder whether that has something to do with what's cooking in the 900th Adventure one-shot, and why a StC writer is apart of it...
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power as in "super power" their abilities, also again you saying that their chaos energy was "drained" even tho that is not said to be what happened at all in the examples
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Eggman knocked Sonic out of his super form, used the Chaos Emeralds’ power to awaken Dark Gaia, and afterwards the Emeralds fell to the ground useless. It doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines.
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as the manual said all that he did was "invert their polarity", that is the explanation given, it is not said that he "drained them"
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Sadly the writer was interviewed and confirmed there's nothing on that level, he is just writing an IDW story and that is all.
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The manual also says the Emeralds were “spent”, which is another way of saying their energy was used up.
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spent doesn't mean "drained off" it simply means that they were used and now can't be used again, nothing more
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...2ahUKEwi7qOHClJv_AhVdBrkGHVRYDiMQ3eEDegQIJhAH
adjective
- having been used and unable to be used again.
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Yeah so, the energy from the Chaos Emeralds was used, and now cannot be used again, meaning there is no energy left to use.
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That is not what it has to mean, the energy was used and now it can't be used due to how it was used, think of it like a light bulb that burned, the energy is still going to it, it just doesn't work anymore
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I don't think there's much thought to that
The power of the Chaos Emeralds varies and there's little to no explanation for it other than stuff like Starline's statement on IDW and vague statements about their nature .
The Chaos Emeralds have shown power or resist power that could affect or destroy space-time
And they have also shown to be shattered or run out for much smaller stuff. That is just how things are.
The power of the Chaos Emeralds varies and there's little to no explanation for it other than stuff like Starline's statement on IDW and vague statements about their nature .
The Chaos Emeralds have shown power or resist power that could affect or destroy space-time
And they have also shown to be shattered or run out for much smaller stuff. That is just how things are.
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I guess, but I think the intent, considering Eggman actively drew the energy out of the Emeralds and into his canon, was that he was absorbing the energy.
But eh, I guess it’s up to interpretation.
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They have been stated to have infinite energy multiple times, so when one interpretation does not contradict the official information i think we are better off going with it
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So what, you’re saying Eggman just turned off the Emeralds?
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I am saying that they go inert after someone uses a large part of their negative energy
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Then how come they could still be used after PC absorbed a large part of their negative energy?
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Because sonic used his own thoughts/emotion/bonds to produce positive energy and re awaken them
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I think the argument that the characters were tired before going Super is a weak argument for Super Form's having infinite stamina. If they had infinite stamina, then it wouldn't matter how tired they were in base. They'd be completely replenished as long as they remain in Super. So the argument that "Sonic/Shadow was weakened/tired in Base. That's why Super ran out/they were exhausted!" doesn't really work.
Nor did Sonic only start showing signs of exhaustion after leaving Super. He was panting literally right before reverting to Base and passing out. Also, while Sonic was weakened from Dark Gaia, it wasn't to a degree where he'd pass out. He was literally able to get back up and fight against Dark Gaia in Base after recovering some energy.
I think the energy Super uses correlates with experience one has with Chaos Energy generally. Would explain why Super Shadow ran out when Super Sonic didn't despite them doing the same things (Fighting Bio Lizard, and using Chaos Control). With experience tho, they can last at least days (As shown in Advance and Frontiers).
Nor did Sonic only start showing signs of exhaustion after leaving Super. He was panting literally right before reverting to Base and passing out. Also, while Sonic was weakened from Dark Gaia, it wasn't to a degree where he'd pass out. He was literally able to get back up and fight against Dark Gaia in Base after recovering some energy.
I think the energy Super uses correlates with experience one has with Chaos Energy generally. Would explain why Super Shadow ran out when Super Sonic didn't despite them doing the same things (Fighting Bio Lizard, and using Chaos Control). With experience tho, they can last at least days (As shown in Advance and Frontiers).
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I just don’t buy the CE themselves having infinite stocks of energy. Just that their finite energy can reach infinite power.
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that doesn't make sense, it was never said that's how they work
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Experience does not influence anything in using super forms, because silver literally has an ass of experience with super forms, and even so, he used it correctly and did not detransform while fighting against solaris.
also it was never said to be a factor, again, it's a headcanon about the experience (similar to knuckles removing sonic's super form through manipulating chaos energy)
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Silver didn't last days like Super Sonic tho. You could just argue the fight wasn't as exhausting or that it didn't last as long as with Shadow. Nor did Silver use Chaos Control like Shadow did. He just used enhanced Psychokinesis attacks.
Sure, you could say it's headcanon. It's never stated after all.
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Them having limitless energy reserves is also contradicted, whereas them having infinite power is not.
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Crazy how in a franchise notorious for its inconsistency, people want to start picking apart things that aren't being consistent. Wow, what a shocker
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Yes, but you invent a headcanon to try to justify a contradiction, that doesn't make it more valid. it would be easier to accept that sonic planets has infinite energy.
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