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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Crazy how in a franchise notorious for its inconsistency, people want to start picking apart things that aren't being consistent. Wow, what a shocker
well, and then I have people saying that tails confirming the multiverse in sonic, it's not valid because it was never said in a game and tails has no knowledge of cosmology.
 
Yes, but you invent a headcanon to try to justify a contradiction, that doesn't make it more valid. it would be easier to accept that sonic planets has infinite energy.
It’s not headcanon to say the Emeralds didn’t work and were useless after the cannon drained their energy, because that’s what happened, and why they needed to be restored at Gaia temples. The logical explanation is that the temples restored the energy, hence why they regained their color. The other instances where the Emeralds were drained, Rush, can also be explained as them being charged with energy to restore them
 
It’s not headcanon to say the Emeralds didn’t work and were useless after the cannon drained their energy, because that’s what happened, and why they needed to be restored at Gaia temples.
Didn't you conceded on the "the emeralds were not drained but just went inert since this is what happens when people use their with negative energy"?

The logical explanation is that the temples restored the energy, hence why they regained their color.
As shown in adventure 1, even while grey the emeralds still have their energy, so it can't be that
 
A chaos emerald being "drained" due to Time Eater's erasure antics was still able to repel against it when the Eater tried grabbing it (I wonder why).
When Sonic restored the emerald it simply glowed and moved on its own I guess.
They still have energy in them though.
 
A chaos emerald being "drained" due to Time Eater's erasure antics was still able to repel against it when the Eater tried grabbing it (I wonder why).
When Sonic restored the emerald it simply glowed and moved on its own I guess.
They still have energy in them though.
I mean, I don't think Time Eater even drained them tho. Pretty sure he just did his erasure hax on them. But they'd still have to have energy in them to repel him (Plus they were also floating before their color was restored).
 
I mean, I don't think Time Eater even drained them tho. Pretty sure he just did his erasure hax on them. But they'd still have to have energy in them to repel him (Plus they were also floating before their color was restored).
The Emerald was colorless though, I think it was frozen.
I think the EE was what Time Eater was trying to do but it didn't completely erase the Emerald (Eggman would've wanted the emeralds gone or else Sonic might use them against his new machine, which he ultimately did)

And I guess that scene was the Eater trying again, this time more physical as it tried getting close, but the Emerald simply blasted it away.
 
Yeah, that wasn’t the case with Unleashed where the Emeralds just did nothing, it was clearly not just inert there.
 
The Emerald was colorless though, I think it was frozen.
I think the EE was what Time Eater was trying to do but it didn't completely erase the Emerald (Eggman would've wanted the emeralds gone or else Sonic might use them against his new machine, which he ultimately did)

And I guess that scene was the Eater trying again, this time more physical as it tried getting close, but the Emerald simply blasted it away.
Yeah, it's why I brought up the EE tho. Cuz the EE caused everyone else to lose their color in the same way. AKA turned white. I don't think they were drained at all. When that happens, they become colorless yes, but they don't become white. They go gray (or translucent, whatever you interpret it as). But yeah, it seems they didn't fully erase it given its energy still pushed Time Eater away.
 
Yeah, that wasn’t the case with Unleashed where the Emeralds just did nothing, it was clearly not just inert there.
Dark Gaia is an interesting case since his energy might be connected to Chaos Energy, since Light Gaia used Emeralds using his thoughts and the Emeralds have a connection with the Planet. Dark Gaia is just the opposite of Light Gaia on the same level.
 
Yeah, it's why I brought up the EE tho. Cuz the EE caused everyone else to lose their color in the same way. AKA turned white. I don't think they were drained at all. When that happens, they become colorless yes, but they don't become white. They go gray (or translucent, whatever you interpret it as). But yeah, it seems they didn't fully erase it given its energy still pushed Time Eater away.
Limited Resistance time
 
Sonic is gonna be downgraded pretty soon, a lot of the multipliers on his page are going away.
Ironically, Max Level heroes ended up becoming stronger as a result because of needing to default to the stated 2x multiplier in IDW lol

Also his AD says **** you
 
I didn’t know PCs had a stated value, that’s good.

So them, Phantom Rush; and maybe the 4x Frontiers boost; probably not enough to get to Galaxy level on its own but still good.
 
I didn’t know PCs had a stated value, that’s good.

So them, Phantom Rush; and maybe the 4x Frontiers boost; probably not enough to get to Galaxy level on its own but still good.
It's from IDW. Each power core is a 2x boost as stated by Starline basically. Basically an 8x amp now instead of whatever it was before. Don't blame you for not seeing it.
 
I was just thinking, since Archie Shadow removing the Inhibitor Rings was capable of fighting Enerjak, who is Super Shadow level, and we use the games for some Archie stuff such as Solaris's abilities, why not do a vice versa scaling and say that the Inhibitor Rings in the games are a Super level boost for Shadow?
 
This is literally only Archie canon
In Archie, you get a boost when leaving Super, I believe. But Generations, IDW, and I think even 06 show that someone is effectively brought back to peak condition when going Super. Sonic was extremely worn out and tired in the Metal Virus arc, but when he went Super, he felt fine, for example.
I do agree with the emeralds having unlimited energy, but I just don't agree with Super forms having unlimited stamina. Out of curiosity, though, where does that idea come from?
 
Isn't arabian nights already a tier 2 place?
Well I want it higher into 2-C.

Basically my argument was going to be that

1. The Arabian nights is infinite in size since it encompasses infinite realms like the night palace and astral plane.

2. The Arabian nights are called worlds of adventures by Sonic.

3. People who've worked on the game and Sonic worldview supervisors like Eitaro Toyoda agree that the stories are each their own world (universe)

(I was going to explain the reason why the stories were connected in Secret Rings was because the World Rings bound them together throughout the story)

4. According to some official material the Arabian nights are filled with dreams, magic and adventures (and dreams are worlds (universes) in Sonic)

Therefore the Arabian nights should be 2-C to possibly 2-B. It's not full proof but I think it's worth a try.

I was gonna check with everyone and review the arguments before I tried it.
 
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