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the end:they where finite,i am infinite
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
- Thread starter Maverick_Zero_X
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sonic from generations;lol,no
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The game sure as hell didnt indicate a fair fight. Nor did it indicate Super Sonic was even trying that hard.
Which is exactly why I don't think EVERY Super Sonic boss fight should scale. It SHOULD be a case by case basis. Not to mention if you want to argue Perfect Chaos is A Super Form, then he should neg invulnerability which is what we assume for all Super Forms. So either Chaos is too weak to even damage Super Sonic, or Perfect isn't a Super acorn and should be put under scrutiny of not scaling to Super.
Super Neo NOR Master Overlord should be Super level. Master Overlord > Super Neo yet received critical damage from Base characters. Not to mention Base Sonic could hold of Super Neo for a short period of time. Nor was he portrayed as infinitely faster than them (infinitely just being an exaggeration to mean a lot in case there's a misunderstanding there). There's nothing that indicates they should be Super level besides them having a Super Form. Treating all Super Forms as equals dishonest as all hell.
I never claimed the positive energy is stronger. I claimed Sonic used the Emeralds TRUE power which is greater than whatever Chaos accessed. Your argument only works if you believe Perfect Chaos is stronger than Solaris or the other examples you listed since they COULDN'T turn the Emeralds grey. Anyway, it's a baseless assumption to assume they're using the negative energy. They could very well be using whatever Tails dubbed the "true power" of the Emeralds. The only people we should scale to Super's are ones stated to be stronger or equal, ones that are shown to actually damage/harm Super Sonic, or ones that demonstrate feats on a Super Form level.
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Are you joking or serious. I can't tell how this has anything to do with my comment when I've agreed with you on everything.
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To make my position clear:
SA Sonic <<< Perfect Chaos
Generations Sonic > Perfect Chaos
SA Super Sonic >>> Perfect Chaos
Thus Perfect Chaos can't scale to Super and would only upscale from Base heavily. Meaning Sonic in Generations can't scale to Tier 2 (off of Chais scaling anyway. Scaling off his other tier 2 feats is fine tho). Generations would only massively upscale from his SA era self.
SA Sonic <<< Perfect Chaos
Generations Sonic > Perfect Chaos
SA Super Sonic >>> Perfect Chaos
Thus Perfect Chaos can't scale to Super and would only upscale from Base heavily. Meaning Sonic in Generations can't scale to Tier 2 (off of Chais scaling anyway. Scaling off his other tier 2 feats is fine tho). Generations would only massively upscale from his SA era self.
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It still doesn't make sense, because once again, the negative energy of emeralds, although it is not more powerful than itself, does not mean that it is not relative.
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Absorbing negative energy alone isn't enough to scale to Super's. Perfect Chaos lacks feats of being comparable to a Super in ANY way. If a holding back Super Sonic can beat Perfect Chaos without taking ANY damage from Perfect Chaos, the two are evidently not comparable. It also shows the true power of the emeralds > the negative energy of the Emeralds as even a PORTION of the True Power handily defeated Perfect Chaos who seemed to sap them of all their negative energy.
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where is it say that super sonic is holding back?sonic is serios in that scene,because perfect chaos almost destroyed the world
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Sonic before the fight expressed he didn't want to beat Chaos and seal him away. He wanted to calm his heart and pacify him. Nothing indicates he's full power anyway. But even if he did, he still beat Perfect Chaos to a pulp who would still have no reason to scale.
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That makes sense actually. Sonic saw through Tikal's memories that Chaos wasn't evil but just really angry. In fact I vividly recall that he said to either Tails or Knuckles that beating and sealing away Chaos again wouldn't solve the dilemma, so Sonic opted to pacify him using the positive energy of the Chaos Emeralds as Super Sonic
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you could try still,but i din't people will be in the contrary of you,if they are not,then greatings
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Precisely
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then what makes more sense,sonic time travel by time post,or sonic needing the time post to travel to a set past and set future because he does not know where he need to go to restore little planet.
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Show proof he wanted to pacify him intentionally, and that he beat PC to a pulp to any greater extent than other super form bosses.
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Also on the topic; Should Chaos have resistance to regen negation since they could still regenerate from Super Sonic's attacks which can neg low godly?
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What I think is that the time posts imbue Sonic with an energy that allows him to time travel when he reaches light speed as a result of Little Planet's time behaving strangely compared to earth.
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in the manual it was not said that little planet had a different flow of time, in fact, amy made it sound like the little planet had no time itself (basically she said that time did not pass)the time stones are the things that generated those effects,but again,sonic does not have the time stones,he is literraly with nothing more than himself.
and again,it makes alittle more sense that time post tell sonic where he needs to go,if they are the things that allow sonic to time travel,he will not need the ''gain speed''or something.
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Honestly outside of X, Sonic holding back against PC seems purely headcanon, the quote unquote “true power” of the Emeralds was still ultimately on par with enemies who were relying purely on negative energy like Egg Salamander.
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He noted in the game, beating and sealing him wouldn't work, and made it evident he wanted to release the turmoil from his heart. Anyone can tell this by watching the scene. The encyclopedia also states Sonic uses the positive energy of the emeralds to pacify Chaos' heart so he can pass peacefully with Tikal. No reason to prove he bats Chaos worse. Others scale to Super Sonic because thy actually have things going for them that prove they're comparable. Like statements, killing Super Sonic in failed quick time events, or their own tier 2 feats
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The time stones caused ALL of Little Planetss time to behave oddly.
I didn't say the time posts boosted Sonic's speed. I was saying it imbues him with an energy he triggers by moving at light speed as noted by the JP manual. This is why Sonic doesn't time travel whenever he moves at light speed or faster after CD.
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Sonic does not have the time stones, besides that they do not change time constantly, they have to be united, but they are separated
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Or maybe they are just that, signs (curiously, it is something that tells you where to go) that tell Sonic what time he has to go.
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I don't recall the Egg Salamander being stated to rely on negative energy from the Emeralds.
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Them being scattered around Little Planet is what causes time to behave weirdly from what I recall. Not jus having them united.
They could be. But that's not what's implied.
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He has the exact same performance as Devil Doom so idk.
It did the exact same thing as PC, where it drained the Emeralds to leave them grey, forcing Blaze to rely on positive emotions to transform.
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not really,if that was really the case,then it will be more eradicated that just what we see in the game(and again,if that really is the case,then with only one sonic could have saved little planet,but not,in the bad ending,if he does not get them all,he will not save the planet)
in the manuals it sounds more that sonic can keep the speed to make the time travel,and that the time post are things that allows him to know where he needs to go,and one developer(naoto oshima)says that the idea of the game was that sonic goes fast and the levels change.
here is the interview.
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Shadow fought Devil Doom, not Sonic. I'm also not sure how the performances are comparable. The boss fights are fairly different.
I honestly don't recall that, but we don't scale Egg Salamander to Super level because he "absorbed the negative energy", but because it would've been able to tank multiple Space-Times being destroyed and could survives hits from Super Sonic and Burning Blaze tag-teaming it without needing regen or anything like that to survive. Albeit I'm not sure if we even DO sce it to Siper Forms full power. If we do, we may need to need them too depending on what I see after looking through the last fight again.
Anyway, how much energy they drain isn't important, but how well they can channel the energy they've absorbed.
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And Perfect Chaos can also survive Super forms attacking it.
Considering how casual the universe moving is and how entities that absorb the Chaos Emeralds to fight super Sonic are seemingly more powerful than entities that fight base Sonic with just the CE absorbed, PC should be above something like Ultimate Emerl regardless, who absorbed a portion of Egg Blaster Energy that should be above large planet tier by several orders of magnitude.
Considering how casual the universe moving is and how entities that absorb the Chaos Emeralds to fight super Sonic are seemingly more powerful than entities that fight base Sonic with just the CE absorbed, PC should be above something like Ultimate Emerl regardless, who absorbed a portion of Egg Blaster Energy that should be above large planet tier by several orders of magnitude.
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Sonic 'wanting to release Chaos from his turmoil' is Headcanon, Sonic said re-sealing Chaos back into the ME was useless because he still be angry, at no point he put aside the option of Killing him, for all we know he did try but Chaos survived and the Positive Energy purified him or whatever, Tails was the one that suggested that, Sonic said nothing about it.
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i think so
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JP manual affirms otherwisenot really,if that was really the case,then it will be more eradicated that just what we see in the game(and again,if that really is the case,then with only one sonic could have saved little planet,but not,in the bad ending,if he does not get them all,he will not save the planet)
in the manuals it sounds more that sonic can keep the speed to make the time travel,and that the time post are things that allows him to know where he needs to go,and one developer(naoto oshima)says that the idea of the game was that sonic goes fast and the levels change.
here is the interview.
It implies that the wrap pad is what sends Sonic to the past or future and he triggers the warp by maintaining light speed. If light speed is maintained, he's sent to whichever time period the warp panel landed on.
Via regeneration. And with the power of Super Sonic being unknown. In cases where he's stated to use full power like against the Egg Wizard it's fine to assume it. Otherwise it's not.
I agree with it being above Base Sonic. In fact, it should scale above all the Base cast playable in the game put together given Super was the only way to take it down.
Completely and utterly false. Sonic wanted to relieve Chaos of his turmoil. He blatantly states that sealing him won't help releive those emotions. Sonic wouldn't have noted this if he didn't want to help with that. He also didn't want to seal Perfect Chaos despite mentioning it would be forever/permanent. It would be entirely contradictory to kill him. On top of that, the encyclopedia states Sonic uses the positive energy of the emeralds to pacify Chaos. It's entirely intentional.
Tails didn't even suggest it either. He just suggested that Sonic could use the real power of the Emeralds to handle Perfect Chaos. Not to mention, Super Sonic couldn't kill Perfect Chaos anyways. He's got regeneration that Super Sonic can't get around. On top of a massive water supply. If Sonic was set on getting rid of Chaos instead of pacifying him, unironically he would've resorted to BFR'ing him as that would be one of his only ways of getting rid of him for good.
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in the same before it says that sonic runs at the speed of light,it says that ''in a stated of warp standby''meaning that sonic is warping but the time post are the things that leeds him to where he needs to go,whenever is the past or future.
although I think it would be better to wait for a better answer (you wanted a tailstube)
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I don't think Tailstube is going to give us anything soon. Especially since the CD manual makes it quite clear-cut imo.
The first quote states that the signs are what make you travel to either era. The later states that the warp pad causes his body to enter a state of warp standby. And when he maintains lightspeed, the warp panel will initiate the warp for him which causes him to time travel.
Nothing indicates he can do it alone.
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we will still wait,it some time it will get or recton or answer.
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Isn't that more or less describing the main game mechanic rather than a canonical thing that happens?
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I don't think so. It goes into surprising detail, even elaborating that Sonic needs to maintain light speed for the warp to trigger and how the pads put his body in a warp standby mode that causes him to "secrete" a trail of energy.
I do think obviously some things are game mechanics, but based on how much detail it went into about the specifics of how the warp works, I don't think it is. Since you'd never be able to tell that Sonic needs to maintain lightspeed to warp by gameplay alone.
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bro,you literraly can intuit that for yourself without needing the manual.
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I'm probably dumb or something, but can someone explain to me why Sonic CD and how Sonic time travels matters?
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